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    AncientCrystal's Avatar
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    Dawn Solaris
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    Ever seen a bad player on Twitch play this game?

    The other day I was watching a Twitch stream of this woman playing this game who really got under my skin. She is a variety streamer who had just got to the Vault Dungeon on WHM.

    Since I knew she was a new player who still had to sprout icon I thought I'd give her a heads up that the 3rd boss in there can be tough the first time there especially for a healer as I remember having a tough time with him as well. I told her in chat "the last boss there is a lot of dodging, be careful". And she got annoyed and said "um if I need help I will ask my party members in-game. I like to experience game myself the first time through". Knowing that she only pays half-attention to the game anyway because she is usually too busy interacting with chat I couldn't help myself but see the crap show myself. And sure enough it was baaaaaad...

    After already wiping 2 or 3xs in the 2nd boss she gets to the 3rd boss and wipes at least 8xs...I could see her get visibly stressed out on stream. She ended up spending 1hr and 40minutes in the dungeon. She had a stupid rule to where "I only want help if I ask for it" Her mod called it don't be a "backseat gamer".

    Sorry for the long post but this sorta piss me off seeing someone stream the game, play healer and let party members die over and over because she was soo bull-headed. Not to mention it could have been easily avoided if she'd listened to advise early on. Anyone ever seen something like this?
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    Last edited by AncientCrystal; 07-28-2019 at 03:07 AM.

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    I avoid this by not watching streamers play games and instead play them myself.

    Sincere question, what’s the draw? Beyond watching a guide video for something you haven’t done before or didn’t understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarrov View Post
    I avoid this by not watching streamers play games and instead play them myself.

    Sincere question, what’s the draw? Beyond watching a guide video for something you haven’t done before or didn’t understand.



    It's like introducing a friend to something you like. You've already seen and played it, but you want to see how much they enjoy what you enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarrov View Post
    I avoid this by not watching streamers play games and instead play them myself.

    Sincere question, what’s the draw? Beyond watching a guide video for something you haven’t done before or didn’t understand.
    I agree, I don't "watch" twitch much at all but I thought I'd just randomly help a new player streaming the game since I just so happen to see she was in the Vault
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarrov View Post
    I avoid this by not watching streamers play games and instead play them myself.

    Sincere question, what’s the draw? Beyond watching a guide video for something you haven’t done before or didn’t understand.
    What's the draw in watching basketball on TV when you could be playing it yourself?
    What's the draw watching a cooking show when you could go make dinner?
    What's the draw watching stand-up comedy when you could go do that?

    Entertainment. That's the draw. It's the same reason we watch anyone else do anything that isn't critical to our survival. Watching people livestream games can be entertaining. Sometimes the streamer themselves is engaging and interesting, and sometimes the game is the draw. Sometimes it's a total train wreck. Different people watch for different reasons but it all boils down to: it's entertaining.
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    Elan Centauri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    What's the draw in watching basketball on TV when you could be playing it yourself?
    What's the draw watching a cooking show when you could go make dinner?
    What's the draw watching stand-up comedy when you could go do that?

    Entertainment. That's the draw. It's the same reason we watch anyone else do anything that isn't critical to our survival. Watching people livestream games can be entertaining. Sometimes the streamer themselves is engaging and interesting, and sometimes the game is the draw. Sometimes it's a total train wreck. Different people watch for different reasons but it all boils down to: it's entertaining.
    And that's all well and good! However, I personally still don't really understand the appeal. A video game is a bit more accessible than, say, pro basketball, so I would think that people would prefer to play games themselves. But it's as someone said earlier in this thread, different people like different things. While the appeal eludes me, I respect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    And that's all well and good! However, I personally still don't really understand the appeal. A video game is a bit more accessible than, say, pro basketball, so I would think that people would prefer to play games themselves. But it's as someone said earlier in this thread, different people like different things. While the appeal eludes me, I respect that.
    I really don't know what twitch is other than the basic stuff but as to the reason people watch other gamers. It reminds me of when I was much younger and games were only in arcades. Folks would gather around to watch really good players playing defender or space invaders and of course pinball. It was entertainment or they learned new things. No other real reason. I suppose it's the same reasons.

    In the same example there would always inevitably be that one dude who would backseat direct. Even more annoying then when they literately were breathing down your neck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarrov View Post
    I avoid this by not watching streamers play games and instead play them myself.

    Sincere question, what’s the draw? Beyond watching a guide video for something you haven’t done before or didn’t understand.
    Depends on what I'm in the mood for. Some streamers it's to learn tactics I'm not aware of in context to what just happened on the screen (as many of the guys I watch love to answer questions). For other streamers I just enjoy their personality, banter, their roleplay, or even the community they foster in chat.

    Streaming is more than just watching the game, it's about engaging with the streamer and chat as events are happening on screen. It can be thought of as being akin to sitting on your couch with friends while one of you is playing a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarrov View Post
    I avoid this by not watching streamers play games and instead play them myself.

    Sincere question, what’s the draw? Beyond watching a guide video for something you haven’t done before or didn’t understand.
    I watch streamers because I like their commentary while playing. Sometimes it’s fun to see someone else’s reactions to gaming content that I enjoy myself. Sometimes it’s also to see a guide or something along those lines. It’s entertainment. Just like watching anything else.
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    Nope. But I am playing the game myself and experiencing it the way it's meant to be, so...
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