How about we change the "dps check" a little?

[Hawklaser]

I'd be fine with removing party based DPS checks on one condition, they become personal DPS checks instead. At the end of the Battle, if you can't clear your own DPS check, you get no loot at all. This way, even if the party does end up carrying someone through some content by some miracle, they get no free lunch.

[DonovanLifeweaver]

I'd be fine with removing party based DPS checks on one condition, they become personal DPS checks instead. At the end of the Battle, if you can't clear your own DPS check, you get no loot at all. This way, even if the party does end up carrying someone through some content by some miracle, they get no free lunch.

your greatest dream came true you made the dps check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Z3X4F3WuM

[Hawklaser]

your greatest dream came true you made the dps check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Z3X4F3WuM

If your referencing the part I think you are. I raise you this.
https://youtu.be/G8c6j-LS-ZI?t=30
It might help illuminate the other side of the argument a bit more too. *hint - The ones complaining are about the DPS checks, is the guy complaining about Rudy playing like its the Super Bowl every time hes on the field*

[DonovanLifeweaver]

If your referencing the part I think you are. I raise you this.
https://youtu.be/G8c6j-LS-ZI?t=30
It might help illuminate the other side of the argument a bit more too. *hint - The ones complaining are about the DPS checks, is the guy complaining about Rudy playing like its the Super Bowl every time hes on the field*

free attack on casuals?

also theres a difference between making the team and failing on sunday morning practice at school xD

[Hawklaser]

free attack on casuals?

also theres a difference between making the team and failing on sunday morning practice at school xD

Nah, just those that take the hard effort of others for granted. Rudy had to work harder than anyone to accomplish what he did, he put his entire being into doing the best he could. The other guy had talent and took it for granted and put in no effort unless it was needed.

So those of us that put in the effort to clear content should not be penalized by having to carry those who think they can coast through any content just because they can. DPS checks are group checks. Yet the Healer or Tank that puts in everything they can help clear that check gets blasted, while the slacking DPS coast on by.

In short, you want the rewards? Expect to have to put in the effort yourself and quit expecting everyone else to do it for you. At some point, you have to take personal responsibility for your play. In group content, I'll do everything I can to help the group clear, but I also expect every other person in the group to be doing the same thing. Much like I would imagine any other reasonable person does.

At some point it has to become painfully clear to both those that refuse to work with anyone else like you implied, and those that take others efforts for granted like I implied, that they can no longer progress until something changes. Groups kicking people is a clear and painful solution to those refusing to work with anyone else. DPS checks are one of the few things that do make it painfully clear when someone is not putting in the effort they need to in order to clear the content.

[Paladinleeds]

Nope. Absolutely not. Conversely, I think we need tighter DPS checks in dungeons and story mode stuff too. Shadowbringers does seem to more mechanically challenging even at a casual level from what I'm seeing, which I'm glad for. But I still think more can be done. Let's push them higher. I'd also introduce tighter ilevel checks too, so you can only go up to 10 ilevel (20 at a push) above the minimum itemlevel before it syncs down. That'll stop overgearing somewhat as well. Keep the challenge there.

[SieyaM]

This does not seem like a great idea. Like others have stated, a change in gameplay or mechanics would be welcome, but not just handing out rewards for failing the goal, even if they are lesser rewards. Everything in this game is a DPS race, everything. Even dungeons are a DPS race, although a much more lenient and easy one. Something that would change that would be great, but with the current design there doesn't seem to be much room for change.

[Beelhi]

No.
If you don't clear the dps check you can't clear the raid = no loot.
Why should I work on my performance so I'm able to beat savage whilst others can just autoattack the boss and still get loot?
When I first started raiding my group couldn't beat A8S dps check for a month before we were burned out and gave up, so we didn't deserve to clear the fight and get loot.
Now I'm a better player and my static is better. We didn't clear E1S adds on our first try (granted, we only raided for an hour so we had death debuffs from figuring out mechanics) so we're getting better gear, working on rotation, and hopefully tomorrow we make it. Why should be be rewarded for underperforming?

[KageTokage]

They really do need a way of enforcing/encouraging people to put out DPS towards the higher end of what they're capable with their class/gear.

The DPS check for ES2 vs ES1 is a very significant step up and tons of groups are getting walled mostly because people aren't doing their rotations properly.

[DonovanLifeweaver]

They really do need a way of enforcing/encouraging people to put out DPS towards the higher end of what they're capable with their class/gear.

The DPS check for ES2 vs ES1 is a very significant step up and tons of groups are getting walled mostly because people aren't doing their rotations properly.

so tyher answer would be 3rd party program > training?