Has anyone quit healing?

[Veis_Alveare]

And then there is the wrong way aka white hole or heartless archangel . I despise these “healer mechanics” boring healing too 100 % hp or you wipe.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I think one of the more interesting times I've had healing anything relatively recently was HW2 during final omega. It forced movement and spreading so the effectiveness of AoE healing was diminished but also didn't allow too much for a bunch of prep since you didn't know who was getting what mechanics.

I'd like more chaotic things like this. Don't let me have a perfect plan to handle whatevers coming, more sporadic and randomized mechanics would be the simplest way to spice things up imo.

[Kinks]

Basically since I finished the SB patch on my Scholar I stopped playing. So it's been a few months now.

When I started playing FF14 I asked which healer I could dps and heal, and Scholar was so cool to me, you get this book wielding, awesome story, dots, miasma aoe thing, and I loved the scholar side quests too! I like, hella pack-bonded with my scholar and its class identity. I get that maybe the devs don't like how scholar/summoner are mushed but they seriously needed to get over it. So many people love the class and even lore wise its so cool to have a counterpart to whatever you choose as your main.

But they gutted it. I'm trying astro out now because there's a few more buttons to click, but my heart aches for my scholar, and the closet-rp/adventures I had on her. I miss her so much.

[Satarn]

I get that maybe the devs don't like how scholar/summoner are mushed but they seriously needed to get over it. So many people love the class and even lore wise its so cool to have a counterpart to whatever you choose as your main.

This part has honestly always been rather baffling to me and even more so now that they've "finally" started separating the two jobs by locking some ACN skills from SCH. It's not like they've removed Resurrection or Physic from SMN, so it appears the "big issue" with ACN's jobs was, in SE's mind, just the extra dps skills on SCH? But that expanded DoT kit along with Energy Drain has always been exactly what people enjoyed about the job, so how was it a bad thing?

I guess all these years they've been complaining about their mixed kits because they just wanted to make SCH a boring pure healer and that was standing in their way? If that's indeed the case, then that throws even worse light on how badly disconnected their "vision" is from what players actually want from their jobs.

[Kinks]

...I guess all these years they've been complaining about their mixed kits because they just wanted to make SCH a boring pure healer and that was standing in their way? If that's indeed the case, then that throws even worse light on how badly disconnected their "vision" is from what players actually want from their jobs.

In my field of work, what I creatively may think or prefer may not be what my client wants; I do what my client asks.
I may not agree fully, and I will give my full opinion and breakdown, but in the end... I do what my client asks.
That's my job.

While I understand that SE has a vision, a dream when they create each game, they also need to understand that when it comes to the mmo, they need to listen to their audience, their client. And right now they completely are ignoring that and I am scared ff14 will eventually go poof because someone was too pig headed to just let go and do what makes people happy... ._.

edit: within reason ofc! not like, we want one click boss dead mechanics, but in the healer context is what i mean

[Satarn]

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Yeah, good mmo design is kind of a balance of listening to what your players want, while also "knowing better" in regards to what can work and what doesn't.

Thing is, I feel that SE lately at the same time thoughtlessly implements the silliest suggestions and discards original job identities/vision in order to "cater to wider audience", while also stubbornly clinging to certain things which have proven not to work over the years. Perhaps it is due to some weird conflict or lack of communication within the job design team, I don't know.

[Semirhage]

Yeah, good mmo design is kind of a balance of listening to what your players want, while also "knowing better" in regards to what can work and what doesn't.

Thing is, I feel that SE lately at the same time thoughtlessly implements the silliest suggestions and discards original job identities/vision in order to "cater to wider audience", while also stubbornly clinging to certain things which have proven not to work over the years. Perhaps it is due to some weird conflict or lack of communication within the job design team, I don't know.

Not to deviate too far from the thread topic, but in my line of work we call the good fusion of these ideas "challenging posture". Blindly doing whatever you're told will get you part of the way to a great result, and nobody likes an employee who stubbornly insists the customers are all idiots and he/she knows best. Careful use of challenging posture is the greatest predictor of success; i.e. customer satisfaction. The idea here is not that you "know better" than your customers, but rather that you know your field. You quite likely know more about the things you produce than the consumers on the other end of that process do. The point is to take what your customers are asking you for and tease out what they actually want. People have a tendency to be really bad at knowing or articulating what they actually want at the end of the day, and that's okay! A lot of customer requests can boil down to asking for a band-aid to fix something that, from your end, you can see is a much larger problem, and their suggested solution won't actually be a path what their true goal is. If you make it part of your job to take suggestions, have conversations, and from there help them to ask for what they really want, everyone is happier.

For a concrete example let's say...recommending a computer. Someone comes in and asks for brand X because they've heard it's good. Now, do they really want what they've asked for? What are they going to use it for? How often? Is it going to be a gaming rig or an email checking machine? Maybe they'll come away with a different choice. This process can be generalized out to a surprising number of fields other than retail. Software design is absolutely one.

[Gravagar]

In my field of work, what I creatively may think or prefer may not be what my client wants; I do what my client asks.
I may not agree fully, and I will give my full opinion and breakdown, but in the end... I do what my client asks.
That's my job.

While I understand that SE has a vision, a dream when they create each game, they also need to understand that when it comes to the mmo, they need to listen to their audience, their client. And right now they completely are ignoring that and I am scared ff14 will eventually go poof because someone was too pig headed to just let go and do what makes people happy... ._.

edit: within reason ofc! not like, we want one click boss dead mechanics, but in the healer context is what i mean

I wonder if part of the problem is that, somehow, despite everything, they still think this is what we want? Even though we're doing our best to provide feedback in the most appropriate way possible. Maybe, on the next Live Letter Q+A, or something, we need to get our "healer union" to mass-submit questions that draw lots of attention to our dissatisfaction...? I'm legitimately unsure- over 500 posts on a thread active for 11 months hasn't gotten the tiniest squeak, which is saddening to say the least.

[A_moth_called_rose]

The community groupthink that you must always be dpsing if you're not healing really turned me away from healing in this game mid-leveling. I just wanna heal, if that's going to be an issue for others I'd just rather not heal at all and play something like a tank or a dps.

[Deceptus]

The community groupthink that you must always be dpsing if you're not healing really turned me away from healing in this game mid-leveling. I just wanna heal, if that's going to be an issue for others I'd just rather not heal at all and play something like a tank or a dps.

I understand you want to only heal but that's simply not the way this game was designed. It specifically tells you multiple times in healing quests that when people are healthy to throw out some damage spells.

You ignoring you what the game tells you to do as well as your complete ability suite / skill set is a bad thing.

[Gravagar]

The community groupthink that you must always be dpsing if you're not healing really turned me away from healing in this game mid-leveling. I just wanna heal, if that's going to be an issue for others I'd just rather not heal at all and play something like a tank or a dps.

A few others already pointed this out, but: it sounds like you're trying to say "if this groupthink wasn't saying 'deeps deeps deeps', then I would just heal all the time, humbug." But... Even in Savage endgame fights, you have 30-60s stretches of time with little-to-no outgoing damage. What are you going to do when there's no healing, pull open your phone and play solitaire? We advise healers to do damage in such time periods, because it is the only meaningful action we can take to contribute to our group's success.


You understand it, though, and you've made an educated guess that it isn't for you. That's totally fine and reasonable, just, you know, this is what we're dealing with- we'd rather contribute damage during the parts of the encounter designed to let us contribute damage. And we'd rather those moments be more interesting than every healer being Mister Two-Click Rick.