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  1. #1
    Player
    Jkap_Goat's Avatar
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    Ul dah
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    Jkap Goat
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Weaver Lv 80
    Im enjoying FFXI WHM, such a busy job with buffs and managing MP, glad I'm a sub SCH

    I should really get SCH to 99 and see how it is
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  2. #2
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    currentlemon's Avatar
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    Celica Genhu
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Yeah, I'm quitting. For now at least. Before 6.0, I had a level 80 WHM. When the job did not get any major QoL changes, I tried SGE but I didn't like the job. SCH doesn't interest me since the changes made to it in 5.0. I haven't tried AST yet, but since the job is getting a rework soon, I might not touch it until then.

    I'm actually playing around with other jobs at the moment. BRD will be my first new job in a while and I'm actually enjoying it. It's not a healer, but a support/dps role is usually how I prefer playing games like these.
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    Last edited by currentlemon; 07-05-2022 at 02:17 AM.

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    Saraphin's Avatar
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    Dante Haiwindo
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Desna View Post
    snip.
    I've never played WoW, but I've played with some former WoW Raiders.

    I got very much snapped at for "not playing" Dragoon right...then back when healing actually was needed in extreme/savage content, i was busting my proverbial balls keeping my team at a certain threshold so my cohealer (SCH) could make sure we wouldn't go down in flames.

    EW? went into Zodiark EX a week in..and Solo Healed it on WHM...same with Hydelin EX (though my cohealer did have to help during adds, but...that was really about it from them). I didn't do Endsinger EX on healer because...first time in i didn't want to kill people, but..that was a mostly Solo Healed fight.

    I mean...I could SOLO HEAL Aglaia...day 1. i feel kind of...let down by the dev team in some odd way? I won't stop healing, i enjoy healing, but it does seem like it's all becoming this 'race' and if you're not DPSing (I saw a Healer get harassed in a leveling Roulette for not DPSing...but the tank was getting their butts handed to them, so full heals on deck, you know?) you're "bad at your class".

    Someone had the gall to go "Healers Adjust" in Aglaia...their own healers left them on the floor.

    A lot of people go on and on about how we're so much better than the WoW Community, but after 4+ influxes...we're really just as bad at times.
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    Desna's Avatar
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    Shiroshima
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    Aldebrand Pradesh
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraphin View Post
    I've never played WoW, but I've played with some former WoW Raiders.

    I got very much snapped at for "not playing" Dragoon right...then back when healing actually was needed in extreme/savage content, i was busting my proverbial balls keeping my team at a certain threshold so my cohealer (SCH) could make sure we wouldn't go down in flames.

    EW? went into Zodiark EX a week in..and Solo Healed it on WHM...same with Hydelin EX (though my cohealer did have to help during adds, but...that was really about it from them). I didn't do Endsinger EX on healer because...first time in i didn't want to kill people, but..that was a mostly Solo Healed fight.

    I mean...I could SOLO HEAL Aglaia...day 1. i feel kind of...let down by the dev team in some odd way? I won't stop healing, i enjoy healing, but it does seem like it's all becoming this 'race' and if you're not DPSing (I saw a Healer get harassed in a leveling Roulette for not DPSing...but the tank was getting their butts handed to them, so full heals on deck, you know?) you're "bad at your class".

    Someone had the gall to go "Healers Adjust" in Aglaia...their own healers left them on the floor.

    A lot of people go on and on about how we're so much better than the WoW Community, but after 4+ influxes...we're really just as bad at times.

    The devs have started to really marginalize an entire class of players. Making healing less important than DPS. I don't really enjoy DPSing, I want to run a healer, and I shouldn't have to endure Tanks and other players bashing me for wanting to run the Job I enjoy the way it really should be played...as a HEALER not as a DPS that can also heal.
    (1)

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    Katoar's Avatar
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    Kael Yoshim
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 80
    Suggesting to people to DPS instead of doing nothing is not harassment. Idk about your experiences but generally speaking, one can say "Hey, healer, you don't need to heal me so you can focus on DPS if you want."
    Also, why are you playing Sage if you do not want to deal damage? You have Kardia, you heal when you cast offensive spells. Sage being this new damage-dealing healer was its selling point and what hyped people. That's like playing BLM and spamming Scathe because you always want to have free movement and not be stuck casting long spells. Then why are you playing a caster role?

    The devs have started to really marginalize an entire class of players. Making healing less important than DPS. I don't really enjoy DPSing, I want to run a healer, and I shouldn't have to endure Tanks and other players bashing me for wanting to run the Job I enjoy the way it really should be played...as a HEALER not as a DPS that can also heal.
    Healing is not less important than DPS. The imminent need to heal is nonexistence in most content so if you only heal you would stay idle for 99% of the time. DPS-ing is more important than staying idle.
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    Last edited by Katoar; 07-05-2022 at 10:12 PM.

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    GrimGale's Avatar
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    Grim Gaelasch
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Katoar View Post
    Healing is not less important than DPS. The imminent need to heal is nonexistence in most content so if you only heal you would stay idle for 99% of the time. DPS-ing is more important than staying idle.
    Healing is situational, DPSing is pretty much universal. That's essentially the meta issue here. Unless in those rare occassions where the enemy is untargetable, dealing damage will always serve to fulfill the win conditions- Healing on the other hand, only matters if the next attack would prevent a player from fullfilling the win conditions, which is a situation that not only we see less of as new content seems to forget about heal checks, but getting better and gearing up also makes healing checks less common.

    So in a sense, healing is indeed less important than DPS, as its value is not constant throughout at fight.
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  7. #7
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    Risvertasashi's Avatar
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    Makani Risvertasashi
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    as its value is not constant throughout at fight.
    I'd say that's a bit of an understatement in endwalker. Tanks solo fights meant for 4 or 8 players in the tier's starter gear, and for those that might have friends instead of using the DF for their daily expert, taking 3 DPS in is pretty favorable.

    If not for the duty finder, and that the duty finder locks in healer slots, it would be a struggle to find a party on jobs that just don't add much to most mainline content.
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  8. #8
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    Caster-LB's Avatar
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    Ranma- Saotome
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quit healing since Endwalker warriors made it boring for me ^ as well as 60% HP clemency runs


    Although will be doing a bit more healing since I lost a bet in PVP duel so now I'm their lvling healer for a bit but no more after that
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    GoatOfWar's Avatar
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    Pepper Oni
    World
    Twintania
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Yes and no. I will heal for FC members and/or friends but that's about it. I just can not stomach the one button damage rotation anymore. It's such a shame, because i always play healer in any game that features them. In Overwatch, i main support. In WoW, i played priest. And in games like Darksouls i would play the closest to what a healer could be (Faith build). But In FF i just find them so unengaging, to the point where it becomes silly. I love the aesthetic and animations of all healers. But yeah, there's just no substance.
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    Last edited by GoatOfWar; 07-13-2022 at 04:03 PM.

  10. #10
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    Liam_Harper's Avatar
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    Liam Harper
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    I haven't quit healing, because despite ff14's poor design I still enjoy healing itself, it can be more reactive than the strict rotations of dps and rewards planning and coordination in harder content. I don't really enjoy dps or tanks more. The game has been going down a path of simplification and accessibility that involves ripping various content away from people who liked it in order to push it onto people who don't for a while now.

    I've just quit everything except harder content instead. I can't be bothered doing roulettes, alliances, beast tribes or whatever. What's the point, it's all empty accomplishment that no one cares about and an inferior experience to single player games. Because I enjoy less and less content and only enjoy playing my main roles in harder content, it's hard to motivate myself to invest in this game and I just find myself playing it less overall. So I'm in a strange spot where I haven't really quit healer, I've quit everything else except healing and Savage/Ultimate.
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