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  1. #31
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    TankHunter678's Avatar
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    Selena Zensh
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by YianKutku View Post
    My read of that whole situation was that the merchant was indeed being at least slightly unreasonable in demanding compensation from us for dirtying his goods, but the way we exploded upon him in anger (in the English version; in Japanese, it was Fray who yelled at him) was basically going from 0 to 100 immediately.
    In the English version it was Fray who yelled at him in our voice, which caused our character to give Fray a "wtf?" look.
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  2. #32
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    YianKutku's Avatar
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    Miyo Mohzolhi
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    Sophia
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    To be fair, look at what our character goes through. Multiple Wars and the loss of multiple friends. Look at how many people we have also killed or had a hand in killing. Yeah, a lot deserve it. Yeah, many were "kill them or they'll kill us", but there was also a lot of collateral damage: innocent lives lost that weren't lives of our enemies. Such an emotional breakdown is entirely plausible for anyone with a conscience, and the mind will do whatever it needs to do to try and find serenity. So I think it all makes sense. I know all of this would weigh heavily on Hyomin, at least.
    Eorzea apparently has no therapists, so the WoL decided to make their own. That this therapist told them to kill more people is possibly a warning sign.
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  3. #33
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    Rannie Lfey
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by YianKutku View Post
    Eorzea apparently has no therapists, so the WoL decided to make their own. That this therapist told them to kill more people is possibly a warning sign.
    Now I cant get an image of our WoL on a couch one of their legs propped up with their arm over their forehead with Fray in slacks and a button up shirt while still wearing the helmet sitting in a chair, holding a pen and pad saying , "Now, [Player Name], tell me about your mother."
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    Last edited by Rannie; 08-06-2019 at 06:18 AM.

  4. #34
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    Edax Royeaux
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    Leviathan
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Now I cant get an image of our WoL on a couch one of their legs propped up with their arm over their forehead with Fray in slacks and a button up shirt while still wearing the helmet sitting in a chair, holding a pen and pad saying , "Now, [Player Name], tell me about your mother."
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  5. #35
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    Sorimachi87's Avatar
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    Aoi Fukuhara
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Not to forget our characters battle with the corrupted light. That was terrifying to look at and i am pretty sure it was more terrifying for them getting torn apart from the inside. If that didnt leave a lasting impact then i dont know..
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  6. #36
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    Lineage Razor
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    To be fair, look at what our character goes through. Multiple Wars and the loss of multiple friends. Look at how many people we have also killed or had a hand in killing. Yeah, a lot deserve it. Yeah, many were "kill them or they'll kill us", but there was also a lot of collateral damage: innocent lives lost that weren't lives of our enemies. Such an emotional breakdown is entirely plausible for anyone with a conscience, and the mind will do whatever it needs to do to try and find serenity. So I think it all makes sense. I know all of this would weigh heavily on Hyomin, at least.
    Well, on the subject of collateral damage, I think it's important to point out that the collateral damage has never been at the WoL's hand. The WoL has never been the sort to pursue solutions that allow innocents to get caught in the crossfire. Certainly our enemies have no such qualms - and perhaps certain allies. The only "blame" we can accept for the deaths of these innocents was that we weren't capable of saving everyone. The Superman problem - he's incredibly powerful, but he can't be everywhere at once.

    Note that I don't include technical innocents, like unwilling Garlean conscripts or Tempered individuals. The WoL understands that it may be necessary to use lethal force against such people to protect their own life, or those of others. (Certainly, though, those lost lives could contribute toward their angst.) But situations like, "Hey, let's blow up this bridge! Sure, a few citizens will lose their lives, but just think of the casualties among the enemy army!" Those aren't choices the WoL ever makes. All actions the WoL is shown taking part in, neither the WoL or their allies are shown as responsible for non-combatant deaths.
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  7. #37
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    Quor's Avatar
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    Alexya Ultor
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Worth noting that if you
    read the quest log entry of the level 80 DRK quest as a DRK, you get extra text than if you read it as any other job. The second paragraph even tells you this when it says to "hold the crystal close that we may enjoy these moments together. Or put it away and pretend I was never a part of it. That I was never here." If you continue to read as a DRK, you get extra bits added in from Fray, while reading it as a non-DRK just presents you with the typical journal entry. Turns out our "little trick" doesn't count, but maybe that's just Fray being tsundere.
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  8. #38
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    Brannagh L'heureux
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    I think it's worth noting that the soulstones tend to work as conduits to the deeds of past bearers. Sig makes a lot of reference that the path of the Dark Knight involves holding on to unchecked emotion to push your limits. Given that, in the English version, Fray commends you on being absolutely covered in amal'jaa blood after a fight, I just assumed the DRK style was to hack things apart in a rage driven by pain and despair and then draw power from the blood you're spilling everywhere.

    My point being - the WoL in the DRK quests probly isn't struggling in the quests because of their past experiences alone. Contact with the Dark Knight soulstone is probly also flooding them with raw emotion. Traumatic enough to at least disassociate their dark desires as a separate entity. Then Myste comes to confirm that's a power the abyss can give you.
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