Living Dead change

[MagiusNecros]

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[IBLazORI]

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That brings up another issue:
Titania, 3 lighting tethers is the common strat.

Healer benes after 2nd tether, invuln erases, 3rd lighting hits, Dies.

So many caveats/nuisances to this ability
1. Dont full heal until tank buster phase is over or, tank dies.
2. Don't full heal from 1-120K+ health, tank dies.
3. Long tank buster over? Full heal in the remaining 1-2 seconds or, tank dies.
4. Have massive raid wide damage during/shortly after living dead? Tank dies.

[Renkei]

Idk holmgang is worse, at least you get 10 seconds after being reduced to 1 HP to be healed. Warrior gets 5 seconds but has self heals, for living dead there's plenty of time to heal the effect. I never really had problems with living dead it's not as good as hallowed or super bolide though, but at least it's still useful in dungeon pulls unlike holmgang

[TheForce]

A world first hardcore group clearing a tough encounter with DRK doesnt magically make LD not terrible. I'm not even sure where logic like this comes from.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[WhyAmIHere]

Living dead sounds annoying to use, but it didn't prevent world e4s first group from having a dark knight.

So maybe its fine?

High. End. Players. Are. Better. At. Using. Their. Entire. Toolkit. Better. Than. Most.
I swear this "bUt ThEsE rEaLlY gOoD pLaYeRs DoNt StRuGgLe WiTh [thing]" argument is so dismissive of any real criticisms levied against anything.

[Wyndam]

So, I have a few thoughts on this.

1) I suspect healer throughput will probably increase relative to tank health. That tends to be the arc over the course of an expansion. You see a certain amount of raw health increase just from leveling and then gear scaling pushes players to be more powerful. Of course this is a gut check, but it's also a gut check after a few expansions of this game and a few of some other, nameless games.

2) Living Dead comes with a heck of a price so I'm not going to say that it's fine as is, but when I put it up next to Holmgang and Superbolide, I'd rather have Living Dead. Holmgang has an insanely short window and has no benefit if you wouldn't have actually died. Superbolide also has a price on it and doesn't have a huge window, either. Living Dead gives me 10 seconds to trigger it and 10 seconds to recover. I can hit the button pretty early and still expect it to do its job whereas Holmgang the timing is just going to be tighter.

3) It's not an emergency cooldown and calling it an invulnerability is kind of a misnomer. If you want to use it, you plan to use it ahead of time and coordinate with the healer. It's really more of a way to cheese a mechanic that ought to kill you than it is a way to mitigate damage. And really that's true of all the invulns except for Hallowed Ground.

And yeah, it helps that one of my nearest and dearest plays WHM so if she tells me she's got Bene ready, no problem, I'll go ahead and LD on a dungeon pull. We're usually on voice chat so it's minimal effort to coordinate that way.

[ElazulHP]

I consider Living Dead a suicide button and don't slot it unless i'm doing Titania EX even then won't use it unless a WHM joins the group AND they agree to heal it before we even start. I liked one persons suggestion in another thread that they should remove the requirement to heal you up to full and give the DRK the option to press the button again to end the Walking Dead effect before the end of the effect or they die. That way the skill maintains its image, gives more control to the DRK, and removes the stress off the healer.

[Reynhart]

Idk holmgang is worse, at least you get 10 seconds after being reduced to 1 HP to be healed.

Most of the time it doesn't matter. Tankbusters are usually one hit, and not followed by heavy damage immediately after so, bringing a WAR around half HP is more than enough to breathe, especially if you have some regen effects ticking.
Also, if you're a shield healer, the shield will give you a fair margin to keep your WAR safe, but doesn't count at all when it comes to removing Walking Dead.

[BarretOblivion]

Idk holmgang is worse, at least you get 10 seconds after being reduced to 1 HP to be healed. Warrior gets 5 seconds but has self heals, for living dead there's plenty of time to heal the effect. I never really had problems with living dead it's not as good as hallowed or super bolide though, but at least it's still useful in dungeon pulls unlike holmgang

Holmgang healers just need to get you at a safe point to where you don't get crit auto'd as soon as it wears off. The difference is vast.
Holmgang required healing: Enought to survive follow up after it runs out.
DRK required healing: 100% of their total HP or they just die within 10 seconds.

If you got bene doesn't seem that bad...
but if you don't have a WHM prepare for the healers to get rage fueling panic.

[Rakshazi]

I have already posted my proposal to the matter in other topic, but it will need to change the DRK in whole in order to work. The proposal is this:
- Make so DRK will not fall under 1HP, but after he pressees the LD button he will NOT RECIEVE ANY HEALING from other members of the group and fall in the "Undead rage" that makes ALL of his skills drain HP from the enemies. Maybe give the "Haste" or/and immunity to CC effect for the duration. If he will DRAIN ENOUGH of health as his own max HP (SE can even give us a meter that will appear) he will survive, if fails - dead dead. But it will require, IMO, a little tweaks in DRK kit.
If the DRK will not recieve any healing from other sources this will actualy help healers in the party to concentrate on other matters and the survival of the DRK will be only in his own hands (thus we will always be able to see who's suck at DRK), so I think it's a great way to fix LD. Besides it will give to the character an actual DARK KNIGHT theme.