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  1. #1
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    LichKaiser's Avatar
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    Lich Kaiser
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80

    Living Dead change

    4 years and i still see living dead not changed at all, this was the most complained skill when DK was released on heavensward, still now is the most controversal skill of the game, 4 years passed and still nothing changed, seems like Square didnt care at all about it. It feel frustrating see 4 years after release play a job with a skill used to not die that actually MAKE you die if not burning healers CDs, and they will not nerf paladin hallowed from be the best skill, coz they fear paladin be upset. I mean i dont care if paladin hallowed ground still be the same, im fine. BUT at least buff LD for the love of god. Is litterally givin love to theyr 1st son and recicle his stuff to the 2nd, if they are good fine, if not... adapt.
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    Rys Sol
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    Warrior Lv 90
    The complaints are ignored because they're not valid. It's a good skill.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    The complaints are ignored because they're not valid. It's a good skill.
    Until you're not a WHM and have to put out 3600 potency worth of healing to heal the Walking Dead Debuff. Then it's a terrible skill.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Until you're not a WHM and have to put out 3600 potency worth of healing to heal the Walking Dead Debuff. Then it's a terrible skill.
    SCH: Recitation + Excog, double Lustrate
    AST: Lightspeed + Benefic II + oGCD heals

    It's not that hard to deal with, tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    SCH: Recitation + Excog, double Lustrate
    Still a dead tank, not enough potency. Your example is only 2320 potency. (1120 for Reci - Excog and 1200 for lustrate).

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    AST: Lightspeed + Benefic II + oGCD heals
    Still a dead tank, not enough potency.

    You're severely underestimating how much healing 3600 potency is. Also, if you've reached the point the DRK has to use Living Dead, you're probably short a few CD's.

    Point is, WHM presses one CD to negate the Walking Dead Debuff, the other two have to burn every CD they have to not have enough heals to remove the debuff.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 07-31-2019 at 02:32 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Aubret Reinard
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    Faerie
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    Where are you getting 3600 potency from?
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    Xia Thas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    The complaints are ignored because they're not valid. It's a good skill.
    The complaints usually are just that it's the ONLY Invul skill that can kill you and requires a caveat to it's activation.

    Hallowed Ground: Push a button
    SB: Push a button go to 1hp
    Holm: Push a button can't be brought below 1hp
    LD: Push a button, DIE, Get healed back up, can not be brought below 1hp during this time, if healed carry on, if not DIE.

    It's an Invul skill that WANTS you to die which is about as anti tank as it gets.
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    Rujhezia Zima
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    I'll know for sure that they don't care about LD complaints and think it's "fine" when there are no changes for it in 5.1
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    King Drako
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    Behemoth
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    Marauder Lv 76
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    SCH: Recitation + Excog, double Lustrate
    AST: Lightspeed + Benefic II + oGCD heals

    It's not that hard to deal with, tbh.
    That's a horrible argument, you shouldn't have to waste so much resources to prevent an instadeath, its stupid for no reason.
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    Tanks be Like....


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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Viper Lv 100
    If you want to see Living Dead's issues addressed, this is the thread to address it in:
    Q+A Thread

    I think there were a couple of other questions in there on the same subject, so it's worthwhile to search the thread for them. If you want to see a change, this is pretty much the best way to make sure that your feedback gets recognised. I'll update that post based off of additional viewpoints that I see.

    But yeah, this should have been fixed years ago.
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    Last edited by Lyth; 07-31-2019 at 06:47 AM.

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