RDM's Patch Notes?

[SendohJin]

Why IS it an issue? Are you seriously complaining about having to make use of part of your kit to alleviate one of your classes' potential problems?

You just said it's a potential problem. That's the whole point. It shouldn't be a potential problem when nobody in the party is doing anything wrong, because if it is than you have no tools left to use when people are actually doing things wrong.

It's almost like... the classes aren't built equally and they might have different needs, or something. Whoaaaa

Those shouldn't be role actions.

[Katie_Kitty]

Please stop feeding the troll.

[Fynlar]

It shouldn't be a potential problem when nobody in the party is doing anything wrong, because if it is than you have no tools left to use when people are actually doing things wrong.

What I meant was that it's a potential problem if you were flaking like I was and forgetting to use Lucid. But since you should actually be using Lucid, that's why I was chalking that up to user error and not actually an inherent problem of the class.

Those shouldn't be role actions.

Why? What difference does it make what "kind" of actions they are? They're part of the kit regardless, and some role actions are just going to more useful to some of the classes that have them compared to others.

To use a similar example, Low Blow is less useful to a PLD than to any other tank because PLD already has an innate action that does a stun (a repeatable one, at that). That's not to say Low Blow still isn't useful to PLD, because it's an ogcd, but it is objectively less useful to PLD compared to the other tanks because it provides less utility. The other tanks must use Low Blow if they want to be able to stun at all.

I seriously don't get why people are coming up with these sorts of "Just Because" reasons for why things should or shouldn't be a certain way.

[Xatsh]

You are basically 1 of 2 things atm. Since you claim you never run out of mp.

1) A troll, Which I am assuming is the case in this thread
2) A horrible rdm who cannot keep up a rotation / a horrible rdm that tunnel visions and only dps in their group.

Trust me you are not some magic person who can do what 99.999% of the rdms who do upper endgame cannot do. Someone who can do things that the hard math proves as impossible.

To state a fact. Prior to the patch rdms ran out of mp when performing their job optimally in content that exceeded 8ish mins. If you disagree that is ok, being wrong is not the end of the world. Problem is continuing to believe yourself when you are wrong is well about the same as ppl who believe this world is flat and kick and scream when anyone proves them wrong.

With that I am done feeding the troll. Last post in this pointless thread.

[SendohJin]

I seriously don't get why people are coming up with these sorts of "Just Because" reasons for why things should or shouldn't be a certain way.

But since you should actually be using Lucid

why do you do it?

[Fynlar]

You are basically 1 of 2 things atm. Since you claim you never run out of mp.

1) A troll, Which I am assuming is the case in this thread
2) A horrible rdm who cannot keep up a rotation / a horrible rdm that tunnel visions and only dps in their group.

Two swings and two misses. Wanna go for the strikeout?

To state a fact. Prior to the patch rdms ran out of mp when performing their job optimally in content that exceeded 8ish mins. If you disagree that is ok, being wrong is not the end of the world.

I advise heeding your own advice.

why do you do it?

Lucid has literally one purpose now since they tweaked it in SB2. You tell me.

[SendohJin]

Lucid has literally one purpose now since they tweaked it in SB2. You tell me.

Just because it only restores MP is not reason enough that it has to be used on cooldown. you claiming it has to be used on cooldown is just another "Just Because" reason.

[Ardox]

You tell me.

So now you want us to make assumptions now? Now is the time? Because it wasn't earlier.

No seriously, why ought we use it on cooldown?

[Fynlar]

Just because it only restores MP is not reason enough that it has to be used on cooldown. you claiming it has to be used on cooldown is just another "Just Because" reason.

I don't really care if you use it on cooldown or not. But because RDM, according to seemingly most people, has crippling MP issues, you might find it useful if you used an ability solely designed to give you MP as often as you could. And if you aren't, you're probably not in the best position to be speaking/complaining about said crippling MP issues.





out of posts, lalala

HAD not has, that's why they changed it. and yes, i did use it. but i found it to be a problem because when people died i had nothing else to use for MP because i already used the only thing that existed.

Well I mean, as long as you aren't letting your MP get back up to full with it, you weren't ever "wasting" Lucid. Hanging on to it until your MP already got low is a prime example of not using it as ideally as you could be. Same deal with melees who didn't use Invigorate until their TP already bottomed out.

oh and you know where i found this to be the biggest problem before they patched it? S Ranks and World FATEs, people die a lot.

If you really feel like playing the res mage (and you know beforehand that it will be needed), it's sometimes best to not even engage the enemy until the end to get credit (assuming you have a party to work on getting the gold rating for you), simply so your MP regenerates a ton faster from not being in combat. I did this all the time in Eureka, mainly against Pazuzu (I never really went into the later zones)

Why do you assume he was wasting LD or not using optimally?

Sigh, because like I've said over and over in this topic, the times I've had MP problems were when I've forgotten to use Lucid at all; in other words, not using Lucid optimally. Also, based on the comments I've been seeing in this thread (such as how we shouldn't "have" to use Lucid as often as we can), that indicates to me that people aren't using it as often as they can. How often will you make me repeat this before it sinks in for you? Having to go back and edit posts is a real drag, you know.

Also, your Invigorate example is as super bad because you would need Invigorate only during AoE rotation

That's not always been true, particularly before SB. Already mentioned it in this topic, but I've ran out of TP many times on NIN and PLD (the two melee classes I actually played the most), even when not AoEing on NIN (and PLD had no AoE yet).

[SendohJin]

I don't really care if you use it on cooldown or not. But because RDM, according to seemingly most people, has crippling MP issues, you might find it useful if you used an ability solely designed to give you MP as often as you could. And if you aren't, you're probably not in the best position to be speaking/complaining about MP issues.

HAD not has, that's why they changed it. and yes, i did use it. but i found it to be a problem because when people died i had nothing else to use for MP because i already used the only thing that existed.

this is why the changes are welcome and necessary.

oh and you know where i found this to be the biggest problem before they patched it? S Ranks and World FATEs, people die a lot.