RDM's Patch Notes?

[Fynlar]

You're the one who's insinuating - no, not even insinuating, outright stating - that everyone who felt RDM had MP issues were just forgetting to use Lucid.

Because every time I have run into an MP issue on RDM, it was always because I was flaking and forgetting to use this ability. Surprise, I'm not perfect. I can at least admit that this is my own error though, rather than trying to blame the game.

And given some of the arguments I've seen in this thread, such as how you shouldn't "have" to ride Lucid, that gives me the indication that... some people probably aren't riding Lucid (and are then complaining about having MP issues).

Dude. do you know how math works?

Lucid Dream up 100% of the time (on the dot) - Normal DPS Rotation = Deficit

Dude, do you know how reading works? I've been saying over and over, a defecit does not matter when fights either don't long enough for it to mean anything, or have forced downtime that allows for MP recovery anyway.

And no, I don't interrupt my casts/gcd just so I can make sure I'm using Lucid every 60s on the dot. That would be an example of poor play. I still wasn't so hard up for MP that the world ended if it meant using it every 61-65 seconds occasionally, because... I wasn't having consistent severe MP issues on RDM to begin with. Never was, not before SB2, and not after.

While at the same time, when people "insinuate" that if you're maximizing uptime then you'd notice the MP issues, you take that as "therefore you, Fynlar, aren't maximizing uptime if you don't see these issues." You've taken great umbrage at this.

Well yeah, because it's wrong.

Yet you see no irony in doing the same thing and making some pretty big assumptions about anyone who disagrees with YOUR assessment of the class. "Well based on my personal experience and mine alone, I didn't have MP issues, therefore the class doesn't have MP issues, you all must just be constantly playing with bads that need too much rezzing and/or not using Lucid properly."

The thing is, people do this all the time. Here's an example thread in the healer section. Not everyone in the thread is doing this, granted, but you won't have to look hard in said thread to find people attempting to invalidate/discredit the OP's experiences of having a difficult time healing since SB2 landed. Why? Because THEY didn't have any problems healing it (so therefore nobody else should be, right?)

And it all comes down to the same point I've been making -- as soon as someone experiences/shows something CAN be done, the claims of people who have a harder time doing the same thing (or outright insist that it can't be done) suddenly hold a lot less merit and are subject to a lot more scrutiny in the eyes of the populace (or apparently in this case, me). It is far more difficult to prove a negative.

[Ardox]

Dude, do you know how reading works? I've been saying over and over, a defecit does not matter when fights either don't long enough for it to mean anything, or have forced downtime that allows for MP recovery anyway.

But fight with no downtime do happens. Take the new Titan: atm the fight is way over 10 minutes with a normal PUG. Yesterday we had to carry a very bad SAM and the fight went 22 minutes long even without wipe, the few moment you get running around is just not enough downtime to stay viable. Stop saying the deficit didn't matter: it did.

as soon as someone shows something CAN be done, the claims of people who have a harder time doing the same thing (or outright insist that it can't be done) suddenly hold a lot less merit in the eyes of the populace.

1) You didn't prove you could do it, you just affirm you can.
2) You don't disclose how you did it, you just say you did — Even if all objective mesure points toward it being not possible.
3) You brag about not reaching 0mp, which is not a feat in itself because playing the job poorly is a valid way to achieve the same result.

[Katie_Kitty]

Please stop feeding the troll.

[Fynlar]

It shouldn't be a potential problem when nobody in the party is doing anything wrong, because if it is than you have no tools left to use when people are actually doing things wrong.

What I meant was that it's a potential problem if you were flaking like I was and forgetting to use Lucid. But since you should actually be using Lucid, that's why I was chalking that up to user error and not actually an inherent problem of the class.

Those shouldn't be role actions.

Why? What difference does it make what "kind" of actions they are? They're part of the kit regardless, and some role actions are just going to more useful to some of the classes that have them compared to others.

To use a similar example, Low Blow is less useful to a PLD than to any other tank because PLD already has an innate action that does a stun (a repeatable one, at that). That's not to say Low Blow still isn't useful to PLD, because it's an ogcd, but it is objectively less useful to PLD compared to the other tanks because it provides less utility. The other tanks must use Low Blow if they want to be able to stun at all.

I seriously don't get why people are coming up with these sorts of "Just Because" reasons for why things should or shouldn't be a certain way.

[SendohJin]

I seriously don't get why people are coming up with these sorts of "Just Because" reasons for why things should or shouldn't be a certain way.

But since you should actually be using Lucid

why do you do it?

[Xatsh]

You are basically 1 of 2 things atm. Since you claim you never run out of mp.

1) A troll, Which I am assuming is the case in this thread
2) A horrible rdm who cannot keep up a rotation / a horrible rdm that tunnel visions and only dps in their group.

Trust me you are not some magic person who can do what 99.999% of the rdms who do upper endgame cannot do. Someone who can do things that the hard math proves as impossible.

To state a fact. Prior to the patch rdms ran out of mp when performing their job optimally in content that exceeded 8ish mins. If you disagree that is ok, being wrong is not the end of the world. Problem is continuing to believe yourself when you are wrong is well about the same as ppl who believe this world is flat and kick and scream when anyone proves them wrong.

With that I am done feeding the troll. Last post in this pointless thread.

[Fynlar]

You are basically 1 of 2 things atm. Since you claim you never run out of mp.

1) A troll, Which I am assuming is the case in this thread
2) A horrible rdm who cannot keep up a rotation / a horrible rdm that tunnel visions and only dps in their group.

Two swings and two misses. Wanna go for the strikeout?

To state a fact. Prior to the patch rdms ran out of mp when performing their job optimally in content that exceeded 8ish mins. If you disagree that is ok, being wrong is not the end of the world.

I advise heeding your own advice.

why do you do it?

Lucid has literally one purpose now since they tweaked it in SB2. You tell me.

[SendohJin]

Lucid has literally one purpose now since they tweaked it in SB2. You tell me.

Just because it only restores MP is not reason enough that it has to be used on cooldown. you claiming it has to be used on cooldown is just another "Just Because" reason.

[Ardox]

You tell me.

So now you want us to make assumptions now? Now is the time? Because it wasn't earlier.

No seriously, why ought we use it on cooldown?

[Fynlar]

Just because it only restores MP is not reason enough that it has to be used on cooldown. you claiming it has to be used on cooldown is just another "Just Because" reason.

I don't really care if you use it on cooldown or not. But because RDM, according to seemingly most people, has crippling MP issues, you might find it useful if you used an ability solely designed to give you MP as often as you could. And if you aren't, you're probably not in the best position to be speaking/complaining about said crippling MP issues.





out of posts, lalala

HAD not has, that's why they changed it. and yes, i did use it. but i found it to be a problem because when people died i had nothing else to use for MP because i already used the only thing that existed.

Well I mean, as long as you aren't letting your MP get back up to full with it, you weren't ever "wasting" Lucid. Hanging on to it until your MP already got low is a prime example of not using it as ideally as you could be. Same deal with melees who didn't use Invigorate until their TP already bottomed out.

oh and you know where i found this to be the biggest problem before they patched it? S Ranks and World FATEs, people die a lot.

If you really feel like playing the res mage (and you know beforehand that it will be needed), it's sometimes best to not even engage the enemy until the end to get credit (assuming you have a party to work on getting the gold rating for you), simply so your MP regenerates a ton faster from not being in combat. I did this all the time in Eureka, mainly against Pazuzu (I never really went into the later zones)

Why do you assume he was wasting LD or not using optimally?

Sigh, because like I've said over and over in this topic, the times I've had MP problems were when I've forgotten to use Lucid at all; in other words, not using Lucid optimally. Also, based on the comments I've been seeing in this thread (such as how we shouldn't "have" to use Lucid as often as we can), that indicates to me that people aren't using it as often as they can. How often will you make me repeat this before it sinks in for you? Having to go back and edit posts is a real drag, you know.

Also, your Invigorate example is as super bad because you would need Invigorate only during AoE rotation

That's not always been true, particularly before SB. Already mentioned it in this topic, but I've ran out of TP many times on NIN and PLD (the two melee classes I actually played the most), even when not AoEing on NIN (and PLD had no AoE yet).