RDM's Patch Notes?

[SekkerOfTrust]

I main RDM, and yes it had mana issues.
Not like you would run out of MP if you used LD on CD but you lost the support to raise people whitout getting an adjust to the potency the job have.
Personally I would like that the buff was split 50/50, less mana cost (enough to raise 2-3 fine on a fight) and a bit of potency buff to deal more damage so I dont see enrage everytime in E2S..
We are back as Rezmage

[Elamys]

Well, it would affect your gameplay in a positive way if you were playing RDM properly.

[Fynlar]

Well, it would affect your gameplay in a positive way if you were playing RDM properly.

I assure you I was. RDM is not difficult.

Dude, 15 minutes was the best estimate in a vaccuum.. You actually can't press LD consistently on CD (And I mean every 59.9 sec here) and each mana tic you lose make your next boosted mana-regen uptic delayed by 3 seconds.

Dude, I don't mean that it has to be your number 1 priority used absolutely every 60s on the dot. Just that you don't forget to keep using it, which I'm sure many people do if so many were having MP problems.

Also RDM was problem without using raises.

Maybe for you it was? Wasn't for me.

No you don't understand. You (and by extension everyone else who agrees with you) are wrong, because Fynlar didn't have this issue and puts feeling before fact. Don't try to convince him otherwise, it falls on deaf ears.

The people trying to insinuate that I'm advocating sitting there and doing nothing in order to not run out of MP surely aren't making a very good case for themselves.

It must be tough having to reach that badly in order to justify in your minds that someone might not be having the same problems at playing a job that you do.

[CorbinDallas]

I assure you I was. RDM is not difficult.

Dude, I don't mean that it has to be your number 1 priority used absolutely every 60s on the dot. Just that you don't forget to keep using it, which I'm sure many people do if so many were having MP problems.

Maybe for you it was? Wasn't for me.

The people trying to insinuate that I'm advocating sitting there and doing nothing in order to not run out of MP surely aren't making a very good case for themselves.

It must be tough having to reach that badly in order to justify in your minds that someone might not be having the same problems at playing a job that you do.

I never once said you personally have an issue with playing the job, I've just said that you're ridiculous for just hand waving what countless people have said over your personal feely anecdote. A thing you do all the time. I'm an open minded guy, if 20+ approached me and countered my argument with the same thing, I wouldn't be so quick to brush it aside.

[Saito_S]

I've been too busy to look at this thread again until today, and while I've read all the new posts I'm not going to comb through them and address every point of dispute that's been raised, but basically:

I never once said you personally have an issue with playing the job, I've just said that you're ridiculous for just hand waving what countless people have said over your personal feely anecdote. A thing you do all the time. I'm an open minded guy, if 20+ approached me and countered my argument with the same thing, I wouldn't be so quick to brush it aside.

...this.

Just that you don't forget to keep using it, which I'm sure many people do if so many were having MP problems.
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The people trying to insinuate that I'm advocating sitting there and doing nothing in order to not run out of MP surely aren't making a very good case for themselves.

It must be tough having to reach that badly in order to justify in your minds that someone might not be having the same problems at playing a job that you do.

You're the one who's insinuating - no, not even insinuating, outright stating - that everyone who felt RDM had MP issues were just forgetting to use Lucid.

The problem that you don't seem to be getting is that you aren't just saying that whatever MP problems the class had just didn't bother you. As in, without denying that there could BE a problem, simply saying it wasn't one you felt impacted by. No one would have an issue with a stance like that.

Instead, you've very much been saying: "MP problems? No, it didn't have any MP problems, because I, personally, never had an issue with bottoming out as long as I used Lucid and didn't have to raise a million times. RDM's MP was objectively fine, and if you don't agree, you must not have been using Lucid properly."

While at the same time, when people "insinuate" that if you're maximizing uptime then you'd notice the MP issues, you take that as "therefore you, Fynlar, aren't maximizing uptime if you don't see these issues." You've taken great umbrage at this. Yet you see no irony in doing the same thing and making some pretty big assumptions about anyone who disagrees with YOUR assessment of the class. "Well based on my personal experience and mine alone, I didn't have MP issues, therefore the class doesn't have MP issues, you all must just be constantly playing with bads that need too much rezzing and/or not using Lucid properly."

In short: your self-awareness stat is laughably low.

EDIT: adding this in light of your post that went through right before mine did - you keep using "people saying something can't be done, but it's something I did" as a go-to phrase for this situation and it doesn't work at all. No one is saying anything is "impossible" or "can't be done".

"I'm a Red Mage and I didn't run out of MP!" Yeah great job, neither did I. I don't think I've completely bottomed out, as in ACTUALLY at 0 MP, unless I've died and been rezzed. As I said before, and plenty of others have said, simply NOTICING the MP issues didn't require actually bottoming out to a completely empty MP bar. If said issues didn't bother you, then hey sure fine. All your protestations against people making assumptions about your play and declaring that their experience must have been the only correct one come off as really obnoxious, as that is precisely what you've been doing.

[Ardox]

I assure you I was. RDM is not difficult.

Dude, I don't mean that it has to be your number 1 priority used absolutely every 60s on the dot. /snip

Dude. do you know how math works?

Lucid Dream up 100% of the time (on the dot) - Normal DPS Rotation = Deficit

No you telling me that you both didn't ran out of MP and didn't need LD on cooldown? You are the one making a very good case for yourself kiddo

[Fynlar]

Lucid is a Role Action shared by all 3 caster jobs, why is RDM the only one that had to use it on cooldown? why is that not an issue?

Why IS it an issue? Are you seriously complaining about having to make use of part of your kit to alleviate one of your classes' potential problems? Do you think the top percentage DPS complain about having to pop their ogcd buffs to be able to hold that position?

I mean, BLM has Lucid too, but they never have MP issues. I have no idea if BLM gets any use whatsoever out of Lucid, but if they don't, they can just... not use it. If they would get use out of it, then they can use it. Either way it is no skin off my back. Why would it be an issue one way or the other for a class to regularly use the actions useful to them, and avoid the ones that aren't?

It's almost like... the classes aren't built equally and they might have different needs, or something. Whoaaaa

But fight with no downtime do happens. Take the new Titan: atm the fight is way over 10 minutes with a normal PUG. Yesterday we had to carry a very bad SAM and the fight went 22 minutes long even without wipe, the few moment you get running around is just not enough downtime to stay viable. Stop saying the deficit don't matter it does.

Never ran into MP issues on that fight either. I think the running around to handle mechs matters a lot more than you think it does, for one thing.

I swear some of you think MP usage on RDM is as if every enemy in the game was like fighting a SSS dummy. No mechanics, no dodging, no downtime ever. That's usually not how any fight that actually matters in this game goes.

3) You brag about not reaching 0mp, which is not a feat in itself because playing the job poorly is a valid way to achieve the same result.

I assure you it's not bragging. I have nothing to brag about.

You're just interpreting it as such because you think it shouldn't be possible. That isn't my fault (nor is it my problem to solve).

[SendohJin]

Why IS it an issue? Are you seriously complaining about having to make use of part of your kit to alleviate one of your classes' potential problems?

You just said it's a potential problem. That's the whole point. It shouldn't be a potential problem when nobody in the party is doing anything wrong, because if it is than you have no tools left to use when people are actually doing things wrong.

It's almost like... the classes aren't built equally and they might have different needs, or something. Whoaaaa

Those shouldn't be role actions.

[ErryK]

Why IS it an issue? Are you seriously complaining about having to make use of part of your kit to alleviate one of your classes' potential problems? Do you think the top percentage DPS complain about having to pop their ogcd buffs to be able to hold that position?

You really don't get it do you? RDM would be at an MP deficit even after using Lucid Dreaming, you're always meant to come out with a surplus of MP after Lucid, not a deficit.

[Fynlar]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

That's something I've been questioning about this forum for ages now.

I main healer. Even if I have to raise 7+ times I can always get my MP back to a point where I can resume DPS once people stop running around like headless chickens.

Cool, good for you. Usually if I'm in the position where I've had to cast that many raises as a healer, I was left in a position I couldn't recover from and there would likely be more deaths / eventual wipe due to me not being able to cast anything else.

Yet, I'm not going to say that your experience couldn't have been true because Reasons, or that your cohealer must have been carrying you, or anything like that... like other people here seem to insist on doing about my own experiences.

I never once said you personally have an issue with playing the job

I never once said that you were one of those people. My comment was specifically regarding posts like #66 and #69, and several other ones in this thread insinuating that the only way I could not be having MP problems on the job is if I were playing the job like a moron.

It's like some people here think so highly of themselves and their gameplay that they can't fathom someone else not having a problem with something just because they had a problem with that same thing. Uhh, no. Get over yourselves.

I've just said that you're ridiculous for just hand waving what countless people have said over your personal feely anecdote. A thing you do all the time. I'm an open minded guy, but if 20+ approached me and countered my argument with the same thing, I wouldn't be so quick to brush it aside.

Again, when it's a matter of 20 people saying something can't be done and I've been doing it just fine, I'm still going to question those 20 people. In all likelihood, you'd do the same thing, so I doubt you think it's really as ridiculous as you proclaim it to be.

Again, it's much much harder to state that something cannot be done, because all it takes is one person doing it to call the claim into question.