They should just delete AST

[Seraphor]

You are delusional, astrologian is pure garbage, I loved AST when it was introduced, all cards had something unique, what is it now? A goldfish Job. That gives all balances, that function all the same.

But when playing old AST, all you ever wanted to draw was Balance.
The rest was crap.
Spear was ok but not Balance.
Arrow was ok for SAM and BLM but not Balance.
Bole was Minor Arcana fodder.
Ewer was either MP when you didn't need it, or Divination taking up a card slot.
Spire was Divination taking up a card slot.

[Israphel84]

But when playing old AST, all you ever wanted to draw was Balance.
The rest was crap.
Spear was ok but not Balance.
Arrow was ok for SAM and BLM but not Balance.
Bole was Minor Arcana fodder.
Ewer was either MP when you didn't need it, or Divination taking up a card slot.
Spire was Divination taking up a card slot.

Then you didn't play AST properly, and because os "ASTs" like you we real ASTs were destroyed.

[LalaRu]

... because os "ASTs" like you we real ASTs were destroyed.

Yes, because only who can play AST at savage level and squeeze every bit of efficience from the job, has the right to talk about the job, has the right to tell SE how the job must be made.

Cannot believe those filthy casuals even dare to tell how they feel the job. Unbelievable.

Long are gone the days everyone lamenting the AST was a card lottery and the system needed be changed. SE listened and AST changed. Now the new system is trash and the old was a masterpiece that maybe needed only a couple retouches here and there. Wow... just... wow!

I think the actual AST is good, more simple to use and, thanks to the 5.05 buffs, I don't feel subpar when paired with WHM and SCH.

If I dare to ask something more, is a bit of love to Collective and to the Nocturnal.

[Israphel84]

Yes, because only who can play AST at savage level and squeeze every bit of efficience from the job, has the right to talk about the job, has the right to tell SE how the job must be made.

Cannot believe those filthy casuals even dare to tell how they feel the job. Unbelievable.

Guess what! I'm a filthy casual who dares to tell how I felt the job! I've never done savage! Unbelievable!
I'm a filthy casual who enjoyed content, who weaved combinations for the party / raid, like AoE boles + CU for big raid damage, 150% effect / 200% time spear for BLMs or DPS, 150% Boles for tanks, MP management after wipes, etc etc etc. Could always have a card active, and not like now that I have to be fishing for the right seals to make the best for divination.
Yes, the actual AST feels better in terms of healing, but not as fun as before for me.

[TankHunter678]

Yes, because only who can play AST at savage level and squeeze every bit of efficience from the job, has the right to talk about the job, has the right to tell SE how the job must be made.

Cannot believe those filthy casuals even dare to tell how they feel the job. Unbelievable.

Is Savage 95% of the content in the game? No. So why should the entire class fantasy, utility toolbelt, flexibility, and lore be reworked for content only the top 1-5% of the playerbase even cares about.

If a class is fun then efficiency matters less. Just look at DNC. That class is fun to play, even though it is one of the lowest DPS classes in the game. Look at MCH, that class was good in terms of numbers but reworked to make the class FUN.

If 95% of the playerbase wont be able to have fun with the job then it wont matter if the job can put out high numbers, it will still be left to the wayside because we play games to enjoy them and fun class design is a massive part of that. It is a big part of why WoW is suffering: because class design is shit and not fun.

[Deceptus]

Is Savage 95% of the content in the game? No. So why should the entire class fantasy, utility toolbelt, flexibility, and lore be reworked for content only the top 1-5% of the playerbase even cares about.

If 95% of the playerbase wont be able to have fun with the job then it wont matter if the job can put out high numbers, it will still be left to the wayside because we play games to enjoy them and fun class design is a massive part of that. It is a big part of why WoW is suffering: because class design is shit and not fun.

Pretty much this.

[Rivxkobe]

Then you didn't play AST properly, and because os "ASTs" like you we real ASTs were destroyed.

Someone's delusional or you are looking at the past AST with rose coloured glasses.

AST never wanted anything but Balance, or Spear sometimes. You can say they weren't playing it "correctly" but playing AST in Savage/high-end content at all proves Seraphor is right and you are wrong. The more you pulled Balance the better. Saying "variety" in the cards was good, and made AST better, is a lie because the different cards just made AST frustrating because it relied too heavily on RNG to be optimal.

[Physic]

Someone's delusional or you are looking at the past AST with rose coloured glasses.

AST never wanted anything but Balance, or Spear sometimes. You can say they weren't playing it "correctly" but playing AST in Savage/high-end content at all proves Seraphor is right and you are wrong. The more you pulled Balance the better. Saying "variety" in the cards was good, and made AST better, is a lie because the different cards just made AST frustrating because it relied too heavily on RNG to be optimal.

actually it proves you are wrong, because new astro is less effective than old astro in buffs, and in heals in current Savage content. Even the old loser cards were more dps, and effectiveness than the new system. Right now, you work harder for weaker buffs, with less uptime and less adaptability.

talking about Savage balance is dumb, savage always wants the most effective system, regardless of fun/design/flavor. The fact that astro was overall nerfed meant that no matter what they did, it was going to be crap in Savage.

proof is simple, old astro saw more Savage use, new astro wont.

[Almostward]

But when playing old AST, all you ever wanted to draw was Balance.
The rest was crap.
Spear was ok but not Balance.
Arrow was ok for SAM and BLM but not Balance.
Bole was Minor Arcana fodder.
Ewer was either MP when you didn't need it, or Divination taking up a card slot.
Spire was Divination taking up a card slot.

That is wrong in many ways. You assume thats how we all played, but its not. You use your cards to your advantage at that moment. Sure spire would be useless now, but they could have given it a different buff.

Pop a Bole on a tank before a tank buster to negate damage, or have the 50% aoe royal road to negate aoe damage for the entire party.
Then Arrow on the BLM (which this expansion with all the aoes) making them something to fear even more, or a physical dps with tp gone so no longer a worry.
Ewer would be great for healers who have died, or even casters like RDM who needs it.
Spear on a DRG or even a Bard would be great even with double potency.

You think everyone farmed for a balance when that is incorrect. Every card was useful, but you refuse to see that just cause you played differently.
Now all this class is now is farming for balances cause that all it can do...and its boring, and one of the worst new mechanics the devs have introduced to the game. Taking away most of Astro's identity with it.

Also, do not forget most of the players do not do savages, or even hard raids. I do and i thought Astro worked great. Yes it had some issues, but the devs could have done some other changes to fix that. Instead they hurt everyone with this new system....but the pros of course. Cause all they want is balance.

[Mikhaill]

But when playing old AST, all you ever wanted to draw was Balance.

And this is why AST is the way it is.
Stop saying this, PLEASE.
No, YOU might have been but a lot of us didn't. Stop speaking for all of us.
Thanks to people megaphoning this we're stuck with this crappy Balance Bot
for possibly 2 years. Thanks a lot.