They should just delete AST

[Rivxkobe]

Then you didn't play AST properly, and because os "ASTs" like you we real ASTs were destroyed.

Someone's delusional or you are looking at the past AST with rose coloured glasses.

AST never wanted anything but Balance, or Spear sometimes. You can say they weren't playing it "correctly" but playing AST in Savage/high-end content at all proves Seraphor is right and you are wrong. The more you pulled Balance the better. Saying "variety" in the cards was good, and made AST better, is a lie because the different cards just made AST frustrating because it relied too heavily on RNG to be optimal.

[Physic]

Someone's delusional or you are looking at the past AST with rose coloured glasses.

AST never wanted anything but Balance, or Spear sometimes. You can say they weren't playing it "correctly" but playing AST in Savage/high-end content at all proves Seraphor is right and you are wrong. The more you pulled Balance the better. Saying "variety" in the cards was good, and made AST better, is a lie because the different cards just made AST frustrating because it relied too heavily on RNG to be optimal.

actually it proves you are wrong, because new astro is less effective than old astro in buffs, and in heals in current Savage content. Even the old loser cards were more dps, and effectiveness than the new system. Right now, you work harder for weaker buffs, with less uptime and less adaptability.

talking about Savage balance is dumb, savage always wants the most effective system, regardless of fun/design/flavor. The fact that astro was overall nerfed meant that no matter what they did, it was going to be crap in Savage.

proof is simple, old astro saw more Savage use, new astro wont.

[Almostward]

But when playing old AST, all you ever wanted to draw was Balance.
The rest was crap.
Spear was ok but not Balance.
Arrow was ok for SAM and BLM but not Balance.
Bole was Minor Arcana fodder.
Ewer was either MP when you didn't need it, or Divination taking up a card slot.
Spire was Divination taking up a card slot.

That is wrong in many ways. You assume thats how we all played, but its not. You use your cards to your advantage at that moment. Sure spire would be useless now, but they could have given it a different buff.

Pop a Bole on a tank before a tank buster to negate damage, or have the 50% aoe royal road to negate aoe damage for the entire party.
Then Arrow on the BLM (which this expansion with all the aoes) making them something to fear even more, or a physical dps with tp gone so no longer a worry.
Ewer would be great for healers who have died, or even casters like RDM who needs it.
Spear on a DRG or even a Bard would be great even with double potency.

You think everyone farmed for a balance when that is incorrect. Every card was useful, but you refuse to see that just cause you played differently.
Now all this class is now is farming for balances cause that all it can do...and its boring, and one of the worst new mechanics the devs have introduced to the game. Taking away most of Astro's identity with it.

Also, do not forget most of the players do not do savages, or even hard raids. I do and i thought Astro worked great. Yes it had some issues, but the devs could have done some other changes to fix that. Instead they hurt everyone with this new system....but the pros of course. Cause all they want is balance.

[Mikhaill]

But when playing old AST, all you ever wanted to draw was Balance.

And this is why AST is the way it is.
Stop saying this, PLEASE.
No, YOU might have been but a lot of us didn't. Stop speaking for all of us.
Thanks to people megaphoning this we're stuck with this crappy Balance Bot
for possibly 2 years. Thanks a lot.

[Kabooa]

And this is why AST is the way it is.
Stop saying this, PLEASE.
No, YOU might have been but a lot of us didn't. Stop speaking for all of us.
Thanks to people megaphoning this we're stuck with this crappy Balance Bot
for possibly 2 years. Thanks a lot.

As opposed to the past 4 years, when you were stuck with a crappy Balance bot.

[TankHunter678]

As opposed to the past 4 years, when you were stuck with a crappy Balance bot.

Said "crappy balance bot" was what got me into healing because the class was fun and the card system thought provoking outside of the balance fishing. It is no surprise that the AST population has all but died off and people exclude it from their parties.

[Mikhaill]

As opposed to the past 4 years, when you were stuck with a crappy Balance bot.

Except I wasn't. Seems to be posts like this here.

Yes, because only who can play AST at savage level and squeeze every bit of efficience from the job, has the right to talk about the job, has the right to tell SE how the job must be made.

And guess what? Not gonna throw numbers from my bottomside, but a big portion of people...don't raid.
And those who don't have a say were ignored I guess. I don't know SE's way of thinking but it ain't it.
So listening to the minority here, pretty much killed AST's identity.
I'm really just about to say remove Balance all together.
It's obviously an issue with it because these same old arguments keep popping up.

EDIT: And before someone tells me "Well now you fish for seals" I really don't.
It's not fun. I don't give a rat's butt how much DPS you get from me. You get what you get.
Not gonna sit here and play "Go Balance +++" forever to maximize the DPS for people and trying to heal. Not happening.

[Selova]

And this is why AST is the way it is.
Stop saying this, PLEASE.
No, YOU might have been but a lot of us didn't. Stop speaking for all of us.
Thanks to people megaphoning this we're stuck with this crappy Balance Bot
for possibly 2 years. Thanks a lot.

You either fished for balance or you were a bad player, period. It still amazes me how people that have apparently played AST since HW are still under the illusion of choice when it comes to the cards. The cards as they are right now are Objectively a buff, just because you play inefficiently doesn't make the card changes bad. Every. Single. Card. you draw gets use and contributes way more than their previous iterations. People love fooling themselves because "Muh diversity". You either drew balance or you did not, the rest of the cards were inferior in comparison.

[Billythepancake]

You either fished for balance or you were a bad player, period. It still amazes me how people that have apparently played AST since HW are still under the illusion of choice when it comes to the cards. The cards as they are right now are Objectively a buff, just because you play inefficiently doesn't make the card changes bad. Every. Single. Card. you draw gets use and contributes way more than their previous iterations. People love fooling themselves because "Muh diversity". You either drew balance or you did not, the rest of the cards were inferior in comparison.

My man, I enjoy optimizing myself, but that playstyle is not for everyone. There are people that enjoy playing games causally, and in a casual sense the previous cards were great. Yes, in optimization, balance was the best card, hands down, but only a very small, and I do mean very small, portion of players play in an optimized setting. Besides, who are you to tell someone else what they enjoyed about a class? Or what they fell in love with it for?

TL;DR : get off your high horse, there is more to games than just "git gud"

[Mikhaill]

You either fished for balance or you were a bad player, period.

Don't care what you think, my apologies. Not listening to anyone who does savage or the "Balance" army.
Games not all about "MUH DEEPS" when you know there's like 100 people playing savage out of the millions that play this game.
(Yes, I pulled numbers from my behind!)
Call me bad, don't care. As I see it, as long as you're healed up, then no healer is bad.
I played for fun, not stressing myself to tears over content barely anyone plays.

You all are failing to realize why most of us are upset.
Because we had CHOICES. That set us apart from any other healer, and it was different and all cards had uses in someway.
AST is about fate, and to get a little personal, I strongly believe in Astrology so playing
the hands of fate was fun, and you worked with what you had and was allowed to change your fate
for better or for worse and yes, Balance was great to get at times. It's fun to see what card pops up next.

This version of fate is God awful. It's you better hope you get this card for that melee/range and get these 3 matching seals for days
then spin redraw over and over and over again to the right seal. It takes so much time to do, it really does.
Guess you'll be the one saying "If you didn't fish for the 3 perfect seals you're a terrible player."
Okay bye lmao. Not gonna listen to it.