Patch 5.05 DPS balance discussion Nin+Dnc

[DewClaw]

SB again was a good indication of when we had support jobs that were 400-500 DPS away from selfish jobs...the selfish jobs were still locked out. I had too actively wait just too clear or experience content when it was not relevant anymore or when people felt that they did not care about the “hinderance” of having a personal DPS job in the party. People are saying this is will not be a repeat of SB but we all know how that turned out for BLM and SMN in HW/SB. Then NIN autolocking a spot on the parties was happening since TA’s inception. Perhaps it’s time too do away with TA and possibly embolden and devotion. Give those jobs something else worthwhile.

Embolden, the buff that's almost completely off-time with your own burst phase.

[Vendalwind]

SB again was a good indication of when we had support jobs that were 400-500 DPS away from selfish jobs...the selfish jobs were still locked out. I had too actively wait just too clear or experience content when it was not relevant anymore or when people felt that they did not care about the “hinderance” of having a personal DPS job in the party. People are saying this is will not be a repeat of SB but we all know how that turned out for BLM and SMN in HW/SB. Then NIN autolocking a spot on the parties was happening since TA’s inception. Perhaps it’s time too do away with TA and possibly embolden and devotion. Give those jobs something else worthwhile.

NIN's dps utility was not good enough to lock others out of parties. NIN was not meta because of trick, and even then it was highly overestimated. NIN was meta because of its threat abilities allowing tanks to stay out of tank stance.

[DewClaw]

NIN's dps utility was not good enough to lock others out of parties. NIN was not meta because of trick, and even then it was highly overestimated. NIN was meta because of its threat abilities allowing tanks to stay out of tank stance.

I cleared last tier several times with multiple classes. I rarely ran with a NIN, and I never saw a PF where classes were locked out. This "classes were locked out when damage was more even" does not seem like it was prevalent everywhere.

[Marianno]

The fact that it locked out other jobs with its own abilities was enough too give me pause. This mess started when SE thought it was a good idea too DPS jobs utility buffs that could change how parties coordinate in previous expansions and it should end with that. I think the sooner that SE makes a decision on what too do going forward, these discussions can die. People complain that personal DPS jobs are trash because they don’t bring enough damage to warrant their existence. Now that there is a job that has the damage and soon too be another, people want too bring it low. It seems people are simply never happy. I just think people will never be happy until selfish DPS jobs are just completely deleted. It gets old when people complain about one thing and then turn around and complain about the other. People are never happy.

[TaiyouSeishin]

The fact that it locked out other jobs with its own abilities was enough too give me pause. This mess started when SE thought it was a good idea too DPS jobs utility buffs that could change how parties coordinate in previous expansions and it should end with that. I think the sooner that SE makes a decision on what too do going forward, these discussions can die. People complain that personal DPS jobs are trash because they don’t bring enough damage to warrant their existence. Now that there is a job that has the damage and soon too be another, people want too bring it low. It seems people are simply never happy. I just think people will never be happy until selfish DPS jobs are just completely deleted. It gets old when people complain about one thing and then turn around and complain about the other. People are never happy.

Personally, i dont like when jobs lack utility for this reason. With no utility, they have to have something to compensate, in this case, more deeps. The issues this causes is from pug or number cruncher mentality. Always go with whats highest. Or look at what meta is doing.

There will always be a meta, SE worrying about that wont do anything, as someone will create what the meta is. Maybe at this point they need tonresolve to circulate whats stronger when, because at this point its true no one will be happy. NIN gets tok much of a buff, may end up meta again, dont get buffed enough, trick is useless therefor NIN is excluded. Same for every other class. If the utilities were less impactful and were just "nice to have" the only ones who would care about meta is... well... meta people.

I think that the rest of the player base echoing whats meta just because, is the problem with them not so much SE.

[Veridian]

On Ninja, I thought good play would be enough to bridge the gap, but at i450, a rdm i435 could somewhat keep up. It's a sad state ninja. Need buffing overall.