WHM going to become black sheep of healers again

[Yuyuka3]

I mained WHM for a while, I wasnt good at it granted, but even when I was a WHM main I was never forced to swap, I was asked maybe once if I could play AST instead, and after I politely told them no i couldn't, they left it at that. And while I havent raided for nearly as long as others, only alphascape really, for half of that tier I was a WHM. It wasnt until o11s I decided to swap over to scholar after falling in love with its kit.

I'm aware WHM does need something to call it's own, and I think having this huge pDPS is a step in the right direction, and as I hope for energy drain on scholar, I hope its not the only step. I'm also aware WHM has issues that need to be addressed. IE, they need some sort of lillie dump that isnt a heal, and more oGCD heals in general. TBH, scholar has way too many oGCD heals so I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of them go so WHM could have a few.

I find the fact that they even did ask you in the first place to be very problematic and pretty telling in the first place. Had WHM been that useful and people not cared at all, they wouldn't have felt the need to ask.
Personally, I told everyone who wanted me to play AST that if they want one, they need to find one, I wouldn't do it. Did it feel good? Not really, it made me feel like a burden. And that's a huge, huge problem, nobody should have to feel that way for playing what they like. This is a game ffs, I got enough problems irl, I don't need that shit ingame as well.

But at least you aren't one of those blind idiots claiming that "WHM is fine and doesn't need any improvements at all!"... though I'm not convinced having the highest DPS without utility will really help us in the long run.

It is true that WHM was behind in all SB and in HW on Midas and Creator but since AST and SCH are harder than WHM they should do more rDPS than WHM (Around 100-200 DPS to keep WHM viable).

That's absolute bullshit. The way people think, what you are doing is dooming the job to irrelevancy in anything outside progress again, and depending on what AST gets, even there. You are punishing fans of the job intentionally just to feel better for playing the 'harder' healer. We shouldn't clamor to intentionally hold anyone back, but to get everyone on par. Besides, easy and hard are pretty subjective, and you really shouldn't punish anyone for playing the job you find 'easy'. Guess what, I tried SCH in raids before and almost fell asleep. I just don't like the job, and I never understood why people claimed it to be sooooo hard. It's not, and it got even easier now, making your argument about it being 'hard' even more futile.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

The lily dump for Whm is a good start I agree on that one they need a dump. I know in the past Whm has asked for high dps or utility, you have high dps I am aware your dps kit is boring very much like all the healers. So see no issue with asking SE to make it more interesting. But lets not get greedy and ask to have high dps and have utility as well got to choose one or the other.

I'm repeating myself, but I don't think WHM needs a lily dump, per se. That just makes their job mechanic closer to SCH.

Rather, I think WHM needs to start with the current healing lily skills, but doing so leads into a more sophisticated lily "rotation" of non-healing or flex skills which culminates in Misery.

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As for being forced to switch, I was never forced to. The static I did Deltascape Savage with didn't even run SCH (WHM/AST). I can believe hardcore and some mid-core statics might have not been looking for WHM's, but a lot of midcore and softcore raiders will take what they can get in the way of competent healers.

This doesn't mean WHM isn't in trouble though. Or, at this point, ALL healers are in trouble. Energy drain and using Afflatus skills as weaving/movement tools is a start, but it is just floating above the waters of the sea of tedium for me. The recent updates got me to being leveling SCH on an alt again, but I still have no interest in picking AST back up again, whereas it was my favorite healer for casual content in late HW and StB.

[Dynia]

What we have?
Damage? A lot, the best of the 3 healers.
Utility? Temperances damage reduction is still utility though it is true that between the 3 healers we are the ones with the least amout of utility.
Barrier? Same as utility, we may be the one with the least barriers but Benison is pretty good, you should not undervalue it.
Healing? You could argue that when SCH had no energy drain they were better in terms of healings since they could dump their Aetherflow so they were force to use a lot of their healing oGCD. But now WHM without doubt is the best in terms on healing and also we have the better mana management habilities so we dont have to be mindfull at all of using Medicas or cures.

Like it or not right now WHM is in a really good spot(I would not call it OP). I still expect AST to receive more buffs in terms on damage, and Im not sure about SCH since I dont play that class a lot but I think they are in a good spot too.

It is true that WHM was behind in all SB and in HW on Midas and Creator but since AST and SCH are harder than WHM they should do more rDPS than WHM (Around 100-200 DPS to keep WHM viable).

read some my last post why I made this thread don't want repeat my self ...

Started this character in 3.0, when AST was the garbo healer job, and got to see the entire downslide for WHM from there. Any more fallacious accusations? If you check that OTHER website, you'll see logs for me doing Delta Savage in StB as WHM too, so I've raided too. Even went back and did all of Coil sync'd in HW, before we started losing abilities, so I also know what it felt like to raid in ARR, if a bit overgeared.

I don't want WHM to suffer either, but all your posts following 5.00 on AST and SCH were downright mean. You showed ZERO interest in improving WHM, asides from even more pDPS, and every interest in gloating over SCH and AST having to suffer too.

0 respect from me for that behavior. 0 respect for assuming I must be new, because I disagreed with you, without doing an easy check that'd confirm when I started play (on Gaethan anyways).

ok my bad, im human and i make mistakes too you know ? im sorry
but there is some ppls here that joined in Shb and don't know how WHM suffered in 2 last expanions and yelling how WHM is op now and why not buff it ...

I don't care about respect from any1 from this forum as long SE don't forget about WHM like in 2 last expanions ...
I can add thanos meme here is small price for salvation ...



and I never said that other 2 healers should not be buffed, but if they buff SCH and ASTRO whm should get something too,to not fall behind like before ...

[Neela]

what WHM got now ?
- dmg ? nope
- healing ? lol
- oh yeah we have useless holy for raids ...

stepped by, wrote a hughe paragraph about in which world u live in... deleted it and moved on.

[Hezzlocks]

WHM got the shorter end of the stick this expac? Sir, are you drunk?

To be quite frank, WHM didn't really have any of its issues fixed. What instead happened was SE did to SCH and AST in one single expansion what they've been doing to WHM since HW.

So, no, WHM didn't get the short end of the stick so far, but they didn't get their problems fixed either. If SCH and AST get the fixes they need, though, without touching WHM, then we'll very likely be back at square one, and WHM will actually have gotten the short end of the stick then.

[SweetestLily]

This post was a huge mistake. Lol

[Almostward]

Astro was ripped to shred and lost its identity. Astro is trash with the new rework that wasnt needed, and our good moves being taken away.

Whm got a rework to lilies that is good, can do damage, and heal like a mad man.....Whm is good right now. In fact they are the best healer.

Dch I cannot speak for

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Even if WHM does go south, even if the other healers are eventually overbuffed; play what you enjoy playing. That's the important thing. You can, and SHOULD express your opinion when they are underpowered but still just play what you like.

I will say it should be a lot harder to screw healers now. They seemed to reach a conclusion that all healers should be able to heal for around the same amount and the difference comes from what else they can offer. As long as these identities don't start creeping on eachother (ex. SCH and AST doing WHM level DPS or more) then it should be fine.

[Neela]

for a start u can accept that the removal of tank stances and most of the healers atk spells clearly shows that healer dps was to important in the end it evolves to much, way to quick, got to meaningful in endgame and metas. so the choice of healer these days shouldn't bounce around their "dmg kit". (it will still be a point in meta grps tho) but the intention in ShB for healer & tanks is clearly written with their loss of specific skills. so what remains is whm still in the raw healing position with their porno reg-skills, massiv ocgds and superior manapool management while Ast and Sch have to be balanced around utility and thats why they got so much buffs... better say "adjustments" to work that out. whm dps is just a bonus for the lack of utility. you could take the the dmg skills away or raise contesters dmg on par and whm would still have a spot in certain scenarios and end-content. its not just black and white -> there are way more shades of grey in balancing/theorycrafting.

yet alone the argument "why did all the others play xyz?" is just so outta space... why do u care what others play? never get this argument... so endgame satisfaction for u is to copy others one by one in cls choices, bis gear and openers/rotations >>> just to hunt for numbers you most probably will never reach in your life at all? those numbers you always refer to are the ones on top of max-min – a player-level which absolutely shouldn't bother 80% of the playerbase cause they will never reach that skilllevel. And all those freaking numbers just show that THEY do good on that cls - maybe u can do as good or better on another? people are always so lemming-like... heading for utopia. especially if their own exp are mostly theoretically than paid by blood in those referred encounter.

I know it sounds hard and im far away from any serious numbers myself - but the difference is i know its on me and not on the cls design. so I hope u will get that understanding some day as well ^^

[Shawnerz]

I think WHM is great and SE did the best possible thing which was NOT nerfing it while buffing the other 2.