Thread: 5.05 Healer Changes

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

So AST/SCH buffs but no fixes for WHM issues. Business as usual in other words.
Looking forward to AST/SCH meta again with some of those changes...

Um. What issues exactly is WHM even having?

While the healing buffs on AST are a welcome change and definitely a necessary one, I doubt that the cooldown reduction on Divination and the changes to 1 and 2 seals’ potency is going to suddenly make up the ~900 rDPS that WHM has over it... We’ll see for sure what AST’s rDPS contributions are once people start clearing Savage, but I don’t see this change being a ~900 rDPS difference.

WHM is in a really good spot right now. It’s quite hilarious for you to suggest that it has issues compared to AST’s right now.


EDIT because posting limits—

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

I don't know, maybe the jarring lack of lily dumps and oGCD weaving? Or them having almost only GCD heals at their disposal? No rDPS contribution, which will only get better over time? Their notorious lack of insight tbat just buffing AST and SCH while never touching WHM is a receipe for disaster?
No, WHM isn't super great as you make it out to be.

Well, right now all you’re doing is doomsaying with this “they’ll only ever buff AST/SCH and never touch WHM”. It’s not much different from the other thread saying that WHM is the black sheep of healers up on the front page right now.

We don’t know what they’ll do, even based on poor precedent. I’m really hoping that they learn from their mistakes and listen to the community for once. You also shouldn’t act like AST wasn’t in need of some sort of assistance, because it was. The Divination change is hardly anything ground-breaking, and the rest was just potency buffs/cooldown reductions to its healing, which was needed. They got no buffs to their personal damage whatsoever. SCH only got slight recast changes on Succor and the return of a way for it to dump excess Aetherflow.

Personally, I think WHM should have Bravery/Cheer as an rDPS contribution; however, it was ~900 rDPS above AST: the healer that is supposed to be the buff healer. That’s a fairly significant amount, and I don’t think that gap will be bridged with just this patch alone. I also think that it would be nice to have a shorter recast on Glare to allow for better Assize weaving. And while Lily dumps may be an issue, we’ll honestly have to see how Savage turns out in terms of outgoing damage—this may not even be an issue if there is a lot of AOE damage for Rapture use or if Solace is nice to have in the event the MT is taking a lot of damage. It’s hard to say because the fights aren’t out yet.


But WHM is hardly in a bad spot right now even with it having things that need addressing. It’s really disingenuous for you to insinuate otherwise.

Originally Posted by Lagomorph

I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say that no healer should be the best at everything?

Late stormblood AST did more personal DPS than WHM, did more raid buffing than WHM, and was the only healer to solo heal ultimate content while also having much greater mobility than WHM.

Now technically you can say 'But holy spam was better for dungeons!' or 'AST shields weren't the best!' and yeah that's true, but in all major areas AST was outperforming. And it was meta before the 4.3 AST buffs let it do all of that at once.

If AST's raid buffs are far behind in total contribution, they'll get buffed again.

Energy Drain is back baby!

Hopefully, the cards are changed at some point..but this is a step in the right direction~

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

AST has been buffed, and SCH has an aetherflow dump again. Will this balance the healers? Ehh, maybe, maybe not, but I think the majority are going to be happy and that's a good thing.

Hopefully, but the healers don't need to be balanced compared to each other right now. What they need is collective power creep.

Originally Posted by Selova

WHM doesnt gave any issues. The small potency buffs AST got and SCH getting ED back isnt going to bump them out of the meta. Not by a long shot.

WHM still has issues with weaving, movement and the fact that as healing requirements go up it's pDPS drops like a rock due to having minimal oGCD heals. The main thing is ALL these were problems the class has had for years, just with ShB SCH/AST got smacked hard enough (and WHM got a little in buffs) that the main issues WHM has have been overshadowed.

They are still issues however.