5.05 Healer Changes

**Silver-Strider** · 07-30-2019 03:37 PM

I'm personally fine with the adjustments for the most part.
Now, make Presence of Mind 120s and I'll be 100% fine with Healers in their current state.

**Miziliti** · 07-30-2019 03:37 PM

They forgot Collective Unconscious or something? That garbage bubble of 50 potency on top of not being able to do any action and a giant 90s cd. No cards/seals improvement. Sleeve Draw now gives you even more cards.....

Sigh, at least healing can be smoother.

**NanaWiloh** · 07-30-2019 03:39 PM

Thank god for the potency increases and recast reductions.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 07-30-2019 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

I'm personally fine with the adjustments for the most part.
Now, make Presence of Mind 120s and I'll be 100% fine with Healers in their current state.

PoM could definitely do with some better alignment with raid buffs.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 07-30-2019 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Lagomorph

I thought the point was to make all three healers meta, right? Isn't that what balanced means?
Healing potencies was not what they needed most.

Balanced to me means all healers being on the same playing field more or less. It'll never be perfect, but all healers as they are now can actually be considered.

Also AST utility is not weak. Sure if you compare bloated WHM parses there's a big gap, but at 75th percentile the gap is not that large. Divination being 2 minutes will help more than you might think. 2 minutes is perfect for most raid buffs/burst phases.

**Yuyuka3** · 07-30-2019 03:48 PM

So AST/SCH buffs but no fixes for WHM issues. Business as usual in other words.
Looking forward to AST/SCH meta again with some of those changes...

**HyoMinPark** · 07-30-2019 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

So AST/SCH buffs but no fixes for WHM issues. Business as usual in other words.
Looking forward to AST/SCH meta again with some of those changes...

Um. What issues exactly is WHM even having?

While the healing buffs on AST are a welcome change and definitely a necessary one, I doubt that the cooldown reduction on Divination and the changes to 1 and 2 seals’ potency is going to suddenly make up the ~900 rDPS that WHM has over it... We’ll see for sure what AST’s rDPS contributions are once people start clearing Savage, but I don’t see this change being a ~900 rDPS difference.

WHM is in a really good spot right now. It’s quite hilarious for you to suggest that it has issues compared to AST’s right now.

EDIT because posting limits—

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

I don't know, maybe the jarring lack of lily dumps and oGCD weaving? Or them having almost only GCD heals at their disposal? No rDPS contribution, which will only get better over time? Their notorious lack of insight tbat just buffing AST and SCH while never touching WHM is a receipe for disaster?
No, WHM isn't super great as you make it out to be.

Well, right now all you’re doing is doomsaying with this “they’ll only ever buff AST/SCH and never touch WHM”. It’s not much different from the other thread saying that WHM is the black sheep of healers up on the front page right now.

We don’t know what they’ll do, even based on poor precedent. I’m really hoping that they learn from their mistakes and listen to the community for once. You also shouldn’t act like AST wasn’t in need of some sort of assistance, because it was. The Divination change is hardly anything ground-breaking, and the rest was just potency buffs/cooldown reductions to its healing, which was needed. They got no buffs to their personal damage whatsoever. SCH only got slight recast changes on Succor and the return of a way for it to dump excess Aetherflow.

Personally, I think WHM should have Bravery/Cheer as an rDPS contribution; however, it was ~900 rDPS above AST: the healer that is supposed to be the buff healer. That’s a fairly significant amount, and I don’t think that gap will be bridged with just this patch alone. I also think that it would be nice to have a shorter recast on Glare to allow for better Assize weaving. And while Lily dumps may be an issue, we’ll honestly have to see how Savage turns out in terms of outgoing damage—this may not even be an issue if there is a lot of AOE damage for Rapture use or if Solace is nice to have in the event the MT is taking a lot of damage. It’s hard to say because the fights aren’t out yet.

But WHM is hardly in a bad spot right now even with it having things that need addressing. It’s really disingenuous for you to insinuate otherwise.

**Yuyuka3** · 07-30-2019 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Um. What issues exactly is WHM even having?

While the healing buffs on AST are a welcome change and definitely a necessary one, I doubt that the cooldown reduction on Divination and the changes to 1 and 2 seals%u2019 potency is going to suddenly make up the ~900 rDPS that WHM has over it... We%u2019ll see for sure what AST%u2019s rDPS contributions are once people start clearing Savage, but I don%u2019t see this change being a ~900 rDPS difference.

WHM is in a really good spot right now. It%u2019s quite hilarious for you to suggest that it has issues compared to AST%u2019s right now.

I don't know, maybe the jarring lack of lily dumps and oGCD weaving? Or them having almost only GCD heals at their disposal? No rDPS contribution, which will only get better over time? Their notorious lack of insight tbat just buffing AST and SCH while never touching WHM is a receipe for disaster?
No, WHM isn't super great as you make it out to be.

**Vivian_Vex** · 07-31-2019 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

So AST/SCH buffs but no fixes for WHM issues. Business as usual in other words.
Looking forward to AST/SCH meta again with some of those changes...

White Mage doesn't need anything else because it's in a good spot. I swear some people are just never happy with what they get and want to be able to do EVERYTHING with one job while utterly failing to understand that different classes will have different ways to play.

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