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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanghelios View Post
    Dont forget as AST you are pretty much doomed to stay in nocturnal forever, because your cohealer in 9 out of 10 runs is a whitemage. And nocturnal still lacks bigtime behind diurnal. Your statement about whm loosing out in a situation where you have to "heal hard" is also not correct. Windows with high damage are always fairly short and whm can easily deal with them with their afflatus single target/aoe spells and those generate their blood lily for a use of misery. Not to mention that the amount of cards and healing intensive parts of a fight are by no means tied to each other and you are just pulling a string here that doesnt exist.
    If 2 WHMs is viable, then WHM + Diurnal AST is also viable.

    That said, Nocturnal is more viable now, even if it could've done with a bit more.
    The shield from Opposition has been increased along with its other buffs.
    Intersection has a significant Regen now.
    And of course Aspected Helios, while the shield still isn't that impressive, is a more viable healing spell, so you can safely throw it out more often, and with Lightspeed's buff you'll be saving MP for it.
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    Jets Down
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    If 2 WHMs is viable, then WHM + Diurnal AST is also viable.

    That said, Nocturnal is more viable now, even if it could've done with a bit more.
    The shield from Opposition has been increased along with its other buffs.
    Intersection has a significant Regen now.
    And of course Aspected Helios, while the shield still isn't that impressive, is a more viable healing spell, so you can safely throw it out more often, and with Lightspeed's buff you'll be saving MP for it.
    Sanghelios is right Nocturnal is still lacking behind Diurnal by quite a bit due to 2 reasons, 1. Heal to mp ratio, Nocturnal still forces Aspected Benefic to be 1k mp making Neutral sect still better in Duirnal by default. 2. Nocturnal vs sch is a bigger chasm than Diurnal vs whm, nocturnal cannot even be in the same room as sch as the shield healer while Diurnal is the child in a room full of adult whms
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Not that I’m complaining but what’s with the Art of War buff? 10 potency is such a weird increase lol
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Diabolos
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Not that I’m complaining but what’s with the Art of War buff? 10 potency is such a weird increase lol
    Yeah, hardly seemed necessary to me as well. Maybe their way of letting us know we'll never have miasma II back, sadly.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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    Connor Whelan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    Yeah, hardly seemed necessary to me as well. Maybe their way of letting us know we'll never have miasma II back, sadly.
    Yeah, though I think it could be possible that they’ll add a DoT effect to the spell, so that it can take the same place in the toolkit (somewhat). Maybe the increased potency is in anticipation of the full potency being split across several ticks?
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    but compared to SB AST and other healers ? No, still underpowered in every departement.
    SB AST was blatantly broken and the sooner we can stop asking for this back the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    SB AST was blatantly broken and the sooner we can stop asking for this back the better.
    People ask for it because it felt way better to play than current ast,it would be like if in SB you had ShB Whm then in ShB you had SB Whm you would not stop asking for the better version you used to have.

    Yes SB ast was overpowered but it really came down to the devs stubbornly never giving Whm raid utility if they gave it something like party wide haste buff on presence of mind or bravery/faith would've helped whm stand out better (SB lily system still garbage, was garbage the moment the information came out), but they didn't the devs caused the imbalance due to their stubbornness, playerbase just followed suit.
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    You are either trolling now or not even playing WHM. Only an idiot could believe a job got no issues and is absolutely perfect.
    A lot of people, who probably never played WHM or just recently started thinks WHM is broken and OP, when in reality the other jobs are just lacking and WHM hasn't changed.
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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    A lot of people, who probably never played WHM or just recently started thinks WHM is broken and OP, when in reality the other jobs are just lacking and WHM hasn't changed.
    Besides gaining a massive DPS boost, it hasn't changed... from already being top dog at healing.
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    Chris Evans
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    Behemoth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    I don't like this at all, as always WHM has been forgotten while SCH/AST get buffed. With that "balance" we are never gonna met a new healer job in this game and WHM is always be left behind.

    Why does Benefic II, Helios and Aspected Helios are Cost Less MP/Stronger/Faster Cast time than Cure II, Medica and Medica II?. There's no reason for that at all.

    Why does Lightspeed got 90 Secs CD and Thin Air still 120 Secs?, Thin Air reduces MP to 0 but don't gives you a Insta Cast in other hand, 50% reduction for Lightspeed is enough to sustain your MP almost untouchable ( i've been using Gravity in big pulls + heals and noticed that my MP regen back before the next cast under Lightspeed buff ).

    Why does SCH/AST got faster cast time for many skills while WHM still the same 2.5 secs?, no reason again especially for Holy and Heals. I feel like WHM is actually the weekest healer at this point ( not about DPS ), SCH is the best one at this moment without doubt and AST just got a huge upgrade, it has more Regens kit than WHM does and stronger, Aspected Benefic for example Heals, Regen and cost same MP than WHM Regen that don't heal when cast and have the same amount of tics. Helios are 100MPs cheaper, 30 Potency Stronger and 0.5 Secs faster to cast in comparison to Medica. Aspected Helios is 200MPs cheaper and 0.5 Secs faster than Medica II.

    I just love that especially AST got a fixed because it was horrible, and yet i feel like a need more improves in their Card System to be pleased. But WHM don't need to be forgotten in the way just like it happens since 2.0, if WHM don't have any utility they should at least be the strongest healer in Heal and Damage, just like Warrior, Samurai and Black Mage.

    My suggestions for WHM:

    - Thin Air 90 secs CD.
    - Medica, Medica II and Holy with 2.0 secs Cast time just like AST ones.
    - Medica with 330 Potency just like AST or 340~350 Potency.
    - Regen with 21 Secs to compensate Aspected Benefic initial Heal with a Extra Tic, just like it was before.
    - Cure II, Medica and Medica II get MP Reduction cost ( like AST that has same potency and cost less MP ) or Potency Increase.
    - Add a new Lilly for every 20 Secs instead 30.

    SCH was already perfect to me, now with Energy Drain returns is amazing. AST i have nothing to complain about their Healing now, just give our Cards effects Back for the love of God.
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