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    Kurando's Avatar
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    Ku Rando
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    Scholar Lv 100
    It's not that healing is unattractive but simple fact is there are more DPS and now Tank jobs than healers, and players are leveling up extra jobs they need for things like Savage (perhaps to fill gaps in their statics etc) or just to have more choice. After already maxing out SCH, (which isn't that difficult anyway because of SMN sharing EXP), I'm not far off from maxing WHM and AST but once I've done that I'll focus on other jobs, regardless of whether they are attractive or not. Sure the changes in this expac are very different to what we are used to, but I'll queue up for what I feel like at the time and not because X or Y job is now boring.
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    Hezz Ackerman
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    I once heard someone, a WHM main, say that ShB didn't really fix any of WHMs, problems at all, it instead did to AST and SCH in one patch what SE had been doing to WHM gradually since HW.

    I don't know if its true or not but given that WHM didn't really change all that much I'm inclined to believe it is.
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hezzlocks View Post
    I once heard someone, a WHM main, say that ShB didn't really fix any of WHMs, problems at all, it instead did to AST and SCH in one patch what SE had been doing to WHM gradually since HW.

    I don't know if its true or not but given that WHM didn't really change all that much I'm inclined to believe it is.
    That's what a lot of WHM mains have been claiming, the ones that haven't been distracted by their 40k nuke anyways and can actually see beyond the big numbers.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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    Kyara Moonbane
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    I don't really know where you were looking, TC, but I'm currently leveling tank and I got Adventurer in Need at least once or twice today. I've also seen DPS as needed in Alliance roulette quite a lot lately. It's actually rather balanced right now, far better than it ever was. Can we stop the complaining now, please? There are plenty of people leveling any role right now...


    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    The next patch is tomorrow, so we'll see what they do. On the case of scholar, the fixes are pretty easy, tbh, just give them back the arcanist abilities they lost. Miasma, energy drain, bane and maybe also give them back miasma II for some aoe. Only other thing I'd want is to be able to cast my fairy abilities from the pet hotbar, if they did those 2 things, I'd be okay with this new scholar, it wouldn't be perfect, but at least it would still feel like scholar.

    And if we cant have ED back because of how it is on summoner now then make fester an ACN ability and give us that instead.
    Can WHM get everything we lost over the years back as well, then? Would only be fair, don't you think, considering how much we lost?
    And if we are at it, can we also please fix WHMs problems already? They haven't been touched in literal years. I'd think long-standing problems should be addressed already...
    Also, got to love how all 'fixes' proposed here would only serve to break healer balance further by making SCH op... again.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hezzlocks View Post
    I once heard someone, a WHM main, say that ShB didn't really fix any of WHMs, problems at all, it instead did to AST and SCH in one patch what SE had been doing to WHM gradually since HW.

    I don't know if its true or not but given that WHM didn't really change all that much I'm inclined to believe it is.
    WHM still feels the same as before, and yes, we lost a lot of skills over the years, so I confirm this as a fellow WHM main since ARR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    I don't really know where you were looking, TC, but I'm currently leveling tank and I got Adventurer in Need at least once or twice today. I've also seen DPS as needed in Alliance roulette quite a lot lately. It's actually rather balanced right now, far better than it ever was. Can we stop the complaining now, please? There are plenty of people leveling any role right now...




    Can WHM get everything we lost over the years back as well, then? Would only be fair, don't you think, considering how much we lost?
    And if we are at it, can we also please fix WHMs problems already? They haven't been touched in literal years. I'd think long-standing problems should be addressed already...
    Also, got to love how all 'fixes' proposed here would only serve to break healer balance further by making SCH op... again.




    WHM still feels the same as before, and yes, we lost a lot of skills over the years, so I confirm this as a fellow WHM main since ARR.
    SCH is still considered op. Not even asking for it to be stronger, nerf potencies if you have to so they can pull the same DPS, I'm fine with that I just dont want to be reduced to only pressing 1 button over and over and over for 10 minutes each fight.

    And I'm all for WHM getting back everything it lost, for it to be more engaging, where did I imply I wasn't? I brought up scholar because that's what I happen to main, but I want every healer to be equally engaging and in line with each other.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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    Alloou Trick
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    Sargatanas
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    Stormblood regularly had "Tank in need." I'm seeing variety now. Variety that fluctuates. Alliance raids tend to need DPS, the rest switch between healer and tank. Guildhest tends to need more tanks.
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    Tigore Collson
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Most times, I see Healers being the Adventurer in need as well. Tanks rotate in at times, but not as often. DPS may get Alliance Raids half the time with some uncommon moments for Guildhest and Trials.

    I am inclined to think the off time when no healing happens would be a problem to fix. I am unsure what Astro could have. Sleeve Draw may need to store the extra 2 cards as buffs that automatically slot in when you use a Draw effect rather than just putting no cooldown on the Draw command. Maybe the card buffs can give secondary stats with the Ewer and the Bole being reverted to what they once were. Additionally adding back the Royal Road effects to the Divination cooldown and Seal Combos may work.

    Scholars probably just need a few things to add in. These are some ideas I have.

    Virus (1 Aether) – Inflicts a DoT on the main target for 30s and spreads to other enemies within 15 yalms at 25 - 50% strength

    Osmose (1 Aether) – Inflicts damage to target while restoring mana and fairy gauge

    Fairy Pact (Fairy Gauge) – boosts the potency of all offensive spells and weaponskills of the target ally by 20 – 50 while the fairy channels the beam.
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    Selena Zensh
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    Most times, I see Healers being the Adventurer in need as well. Tanks rotate in at times, but not as often. DPS may get Alliance Raids half the time with some uncommon moments for Guildhest and Trials.
    I have had plenty of times where it said Alliance needed DPS, or MSQ needed DPS, and when I hop in to the roulette on a DPS I have to wait 20 minutes, but if I qued healer its snap of the fingers instant.
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    Quilia Labro
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    May all your wishes come true when the patch notes are up in the morning.
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    Naychan Le'mew
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloprano View Post
    May all your wishes come true when the patch notes are up in the morning.
    Not really sure if i want to read them. Almost afraid to see how the screw healers next.
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