SMN; How do poison DoTs fit the class?

[CapricaLangley]

Arcanist controls the nearby aether to create blasting energies and summon primals by rerouting and channeling aether lines.
But, how does Miasma and Bio fit with that?

It's pretty obvious that the Damage over Time concept was created to support the idea of a pet class. Between one DoT application and the other, the ideal Summoner would weave a lot of pet skills and multiple different summons. In the end, the team changed the concept but choose to retain the initian defining trait.

[Nyoraii]

Oh would you look at that:

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...play#Abilities

Level 10 and Level 26.

Did you even read the page you posted? Bio and Poison are BLACK MAGICS! This has nothing to do with Rydia being a Summoner, she has two classes, same as Yuna being a Summoner and a White Mage. But that doesn't mean Holy, Cure and Esuna are Summoning magics, obviously.

Just admit, the design for SMN in this game is just a poor excuse for a wow Warlock because the devs had no idea how to make a pet class work without copying it from other games, maybe because of incompetence, maybe because of time constraints.

[Dyvid]

Arcanist controls the nearby aether to create blasting energies and summon primals by rerouting and channeling aether lines.
But, how does Miasma and Bio fit with that?

Because when it in came out 2013, SE wanted a Magic Ranged DPS that casts direct damage spells (BLM) and a Magic Ranged DPS that uses pets and DoTs (SMN). They didn't want two jobs to play exactly the same way. /thread

[Videra]

Being that, lorewise, the Allagan Empire basically invented Arcanima? You can probably attribute the border-line cancer esque toxins to their inhumane tendencies. I think they fit perfectly, considering this.

[Len]

Yeah, it's always been strange that the visual effect of our dots are "poison" oriented.

I'd much prefer that they be primal based, like Ifrit appearing and burning the enemy before disappearing, sort of how it appears in this artwork.

[Nyoraii]

Yeah, it's always been strange that the visual effect of our dots are "poison" oriented.

I'd much prefer that they be primal based, like Ifrit appearing and burning the enemy before disappearing, sort of how it appears in this artwork.

Even though I have never played XI, just looking at XI's SMN makes me so sad for what could have been in this game.

Just look at it: https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Summoner

Every magic comes from Summons, as it should be. The devs could have unlimited potential to do whatever they wanted with this class, instead, they copied Warlock from WoW, lmao.

[Roda]

I like the dot management, but I'm not a fan of the aesthetics of the snifflesmage dots, and I'm also not a fan of taking ALL of the spellcasting away from the player outside of "make summon do it for me" spells.
I wish that instead of just upgrading our dots to III versions of the ACN dots, we got two more thematic spells of channeling summon magic (rather than summoning something just to put a dot on). Maybe be able to cast a dark dot and a light dot instead.

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TL;DR, For me, the dot management/character actually doing damaging spells themselves isn't offensive to me, just the themeing is a bit disappointing.

[Caliburn]

It only fits so much as that it fits Arcanist and Summoners are former Arcanists.

But yeah it doesn't fit.

[Caliburn]

Even though I have never played XI, just looking at XI's SMN makes me so sad for what could have been in this game.

Just look at it: https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Summoner

Every magic comes from Summons, as it should be. The devs could have unlimited potential to do whatever they wanted with this class, instead, they copied Warlock from WoW, lmao.

FFXI SMN was brilliant. It may not have been very effective at many points throughout the game's lifespan but the fact that you could summon a proper avatar, have them perform powerful moves, including buffs, have them tank for you, etc... it was a REAL Summoner job.

FFXIV SMN is *getting there* in terms of what it *should* be in this game, but these hangovers from ACN need to go. I predict that SE are already planning to strip away Bio, Miasma, Physick and everything else ACN related and transition the job into it's own completely unique SMN job. They could even set it to start from level 30 just to completely cut away from ACN.

We shall see.

[Taranok]

FFXI SMN was brilliant. It may not have been very effective at many points throughout the game's lifespan but the fact that you could summon a proper avatar, have them perform powerful moves, including buffs, have them tank for you, etc... it was a REAL Summoner job.

FFXIV SMN is *getting there* in terms of what it *should* be in this game, but these hangovers from ACN need to go. I predict that SE are already planning to strip away Bio, Miasma, Physick and everything else ACN related and transition the job into it's own completely unique SMN job. They could even set it to start from level 30 just to completely cut away from ACN.

We shall see.

We can hope, but there's a lot of lore they have to be willing to sacrifice, and sacrificing lore is basically a cardinal sin as far as the devs are concerned. But it needs to happen.

I'd also like for Summoner to have the book removed as a primary weapon. By all means keep the old books because they're there, but start replacing SMN with a new weapon, such as a whip, and fully separate it from Scholar at this point. SCH makes a ton of sense with having books, SMN really doesn't. And by having half as many books, they can make each book feel more unique because the designers won't be stepping on each other's toes trying to make SMN and SCH books unique. Books are already stupidly limited in terms of uniqueness because they're a very specific defined shape, so it doesn't help that 2 separate classes share the same specific weapon.

But this all hinges on the devs being willing to make the necessary sacrifice to start moving summoner along its way to where it needs to be.