One more thread to complain about the soul-crushing placard spamming

[Atamis]

You're incorrect there. Everyone who wants house absolutely deserves to have one.

Opinions can't be wrong deary. Just because you want something doesn't mean you deserve it. If you want to bring up the "I paid for it already" argument, you have an entire argument to bust with the mogstation, as we all have already paid for those and yet they're locked behind another paywall.

IMO, to solve the housing crisis without making ghost towns or bloating the wards even more (for real who visits houses when theres 18x2 identical wards to stroll through?) They should add wards to nearly every small village. Just a single ward. There will be demand for particular wards more than others, but there will be variance. Do away with this anti consumer can't-sell-your-plot nonsense, and embrace an actual real estate economy.
I would even flag the current wards for deletion at the same time so the four current ones can regain some mote of uniqueness again.
Add a ward to Mor Dhona, Idyllshire, Doma Enclave, Ala Mhigo and then add the small hamlets. Hrystmill, Gold Bazaar, Aleport, go further and add the small villages no one bothers to remember anymore, Quarrymill, Bronze Lake, Vesper Bay. Eventually the load gets spread out. I would even go so far as allowing people/FC to buy the right to open up a new ward (for an exuberant price of course, maybe even a mogstation exclusive to help pay for more whale ba.. i mean server infrastructure). Let them sell and auction of plots as they see fit. This would allow for people to consolidate wards based on playstyle, as all the RPrs would want to be in the same ward so they actually get used and they actually have a theme outside Piassa trash pit #419

[Drkdays]

Opinions can't be wrong deary. Just because you want something doesn't mean you deserve it. If you want to bring up the "I paid for it already" argument, you have an entire argument to bust with the mogstation, as we all have already paid for those and yet they're locked behind another paywall.

IMO, to solve the housing crisis without making ghost towns or bloating the wards even more (for real who visits houses when theres 18x2 identical wards to stroll through?) They should add wards to nearly every small village. Just a single ward. There will be demand for particular wards more than others, but there will be variance. Do away with this anti consumer can't-sell-your-plot nonsense, and embrace an actual real estate economy.
I would even flag the current wards for deletion at the same time so the four current ones can regain some mote of uniqueness again.
Add a ward to Mor Dhona, Idyllshire, Doma Enclave, Ala Mhigo and then add the small hamlets. Hrystmill, Gold Bazaar, Aleport, go further and add the small villages no one bothers to remember anymore, Quarrymill, Bronze Lake, Vesper Bay. Eventually the load gets spread out. I would even go so far as allowing people/FC to buy the right to open up a new ward (for an exuberant price of course, maybe even a mogstation exclusive to help pay for more whale ba.. i mean server infrastructure). Let them sell and auction of plots as they see fit. This would allow for people to consolidate wards based on playstyle, as all the RPrs would want to be in the same ward so they actually get used and they actually have a theme outside Piassa trash pit #419

If someone's opinion is that I can't have something because they feel I don't deserve it but they do, then ya, they can totally be wrong. It's not really an opinion at that point, it's arrogance.

But ya! Add more wards! Doesn't have to be instanced, we just need more. A LOT more. The buying method is as broke as it gets though. Absurdly so.

[Kenky]

Please re-read what I posted. I stated that I'd prefer for people to have the access they want. But with systems the way they are, it just can't be done without some serious tuning. People cannot hide behind the "I pay my sub, therefore <X>" anymore, because it's just gotten beaten into the floor so harshly that it's lost all potency.

I pay for my sub, yet plenty of things from previous events require I buy them, when people got them for free, yet I don't complain.

It would be great for everyone to have a house. To be able to not have ANY issue whatsoever. But that is a dream paradise and people (Not all, but a very vocal few) just find anything to bitch at, purely for the sake of bitching.

You don't realize that it's not as simple as "adding more stuff". Atamis' proposal would be a lot better as it'd appeal to mostly all groups. But no, people would still demand two completely separate housing systems, with pros and cons to both sides. but at this point, it's no longer about the housing issue. It's just white noise and every point has been said a multitude of times with different inflections and reactions.

[Atamis]

The buying method is as broke as it gets though.

Absolutely. I was up a good 12 hours clicking a sign for my house. it was miserable and i wish that upon nobody. A silent auction, or a lotto would be far more productive than this. Not to mention if a medium/large ever open up, at no point with it be bought, it will be snatched up in a transfer before the hour is up.

[Drkdays]

Agreed. I know they're worried about RMT and player/player abuse, but a deadlock is not a cure.

And apartments just don't cut it. For example, 2 of the 3 items we're getting for the Summerfest are for outdoor use only...

[Nix]

You don't realize that it's not as simple as "adding more stuff"

Yes, we do but instead of harping on about how nobody else should be able to get a house, we plead to SE for them to find a solution.
You can claim "but server instability!" all you like, but that's for SE to handle.

I'm yet to hear a compelling argument against making housing available that doesn't ultimately boil down to "I don't want them to have what I have."

I pay for my sub, yet plenty of things from previous events require I buy them, when people got them for free, yet I don't complain.

Terrible choice of argument here - you can't compare event items to houses given that the event items, were at one point (multiple if you count mogstation) fairly obtainable.
Housing should require work to obtain - make it expensive, make it a grind, do whatever; that being said, it should be obtainable.
No one's asking for a handout; they just want to be able to enjoy an aspect of the game that shouldn't revolve around dumb luck to achieve.

Agreed. I know they're worried about RMT and player/player abuse, but a deadlock is not a cure.
And apartments just don't cut it. For example, 2 of the 3 items we're getting for the Summerfest are for outdoor use only...

For real - I would definitely make more use of my apartment if it was actually...worth using.
I can't garden (crossbreed etc) in there, it's small/cramped - the beams along the walls eat up so much of my limited space, as do the fixed windows.

[Jojoya]

EDIT: For mathematical reasons, lets say everyone is entitled or deserved a house. Say high-pop servers are at 8,000 - 10,000 unique players at a stretch, that would mean you're requesting at least 10,000 House plots per server (Not including apartments) on all servers. Which would fix the high-pop issue, but cause all low-pop servers (Sub 1,000 unique players) to have an even bigger ghost-town. Not only that, but the "We fixed the housing system!" outcry would bring in more people, statistically flocking to the higher-pop servers, raising its population while leaving the lower-pops barely touched. I'd give that scenario a month, tops. Before people start complaining about "housing issues" again. While it would be fine and dandy to keep adding plots. Not all servers are filled to the brim.

Adding more housing (even instanced) would make lower-pop servers all the more 'dead' because they'd have thousands of empty plots, sitting there at the lowest possible value (1M, if that) with nobody interested in picking it up. Adding more housing cannot be done with a "per-server" basis. If one server gets an upgrade, they ALL get an upgrade. It's a tricky dance SE will have to perform in order to please the vocal minority, while not killing the system for lower-pops.

You're again demonstrating you don't understand how instanced housing works.

You never will understand if you keep basing your assumptions on how the static "always on" ward system in this game works.

You're going to have to experience instanced housing in another game before you'll understand what the rest of us are talking about.

[Nix]

Really? Because, last I checked. There are plenty of servers with open plots and back a while ago (quite a while, in fact) housing was also quite readily obtainable. So how is it terrible to compare them when they both used to be readily obtainable to now being hidden behind some other system? Do share with the class.

You can cut the attitude, because it does nothing to bolster your argument and just makes you look defensive (for no reason, I may add. No one's attacking you, just disagreeing with you.)

Houses WERE (not are) obtainable on smaller, fledgling servers when prices were higher because hardly anyone had that kind of gil, which is understandable. It gave folks something to work toward. Comparing the needs of the player-base from a year-plus back to now is not going to do much - people back then still wanted houses but didn't fully have the means at the time. That being said, on legacy/well-established servers, houses were snapped up and there's been a shortage for quite some time.

You keep trying to compare something that was readily available to anyone in an unlimited quantity to something that is extremely limited in quantity and locked behind a broken system. (Bolding for emphasis, just in case you want to keep dancing around my argument)

Event items: Available to those who put the work in during the event, or bought from mogstation at a later date. Available to ALL characters in unlimited quantity, so as long as characters either did the event, or had a couple dollars to spare, they'd be able to get the event item.

Houses: Originally available to those who had substantial funds, are now available only to those who can: sit for 1~30hrs at a placard spamming and hoping that they can out-click the other campers and occasional bot/macro user - that's even IF a house is open. On more populated servers, you're extremely lucky to see any plots open. These are extremely limited in quantity and locked behind a broken system which means that even if someone has the means to obtain the house, they still have little chance of getting one.

Do you see the difference now?
It'd be a different story if it was say.... 50m for a small (just throwing a number out there), but there was one for everyone, IF they were able to raise the 50m. Make it grindy, make it a chore, make it whatever. But the chance would still be there.
The current system locks people out, regardless of whether they have the means or not simply due to there being 3-times as many players as there are available plots. There will never be enough houses for the current player-base with the current system; this is why people are mad.

Keeping current wards would be rad - people could show off their houses etc. if they wanted.
However, by adding instanced housing, this would alleviate the issue at hand and offer everyone a chance at a home of their own (that actually functions like the other homes).

No one's saying to hand them out for free - make them grindy as hell, more expensive than ward housing if they have to. Make it a gil sink! Make them upgradable, make them out of marshmallows - whatever.

But still, all I'm getting from your argument is "I don't want them to have this because it'll devalue what I have".... which it won't - ward housing would still be seen as a status symbol because some people love to show off their homes. As I've said in a previous post - who wouldn't jump at the chance of owning their own small part of a zone?

Class dismissed.

[Losara]

You're again demonstrating you don't understand how instanced housing works.

You never will understand if you keep basing your assumptions on how the static "always on" ward system in this game works.

You're going to have to experience instanced housing in another game before you'll understand what the rest of us are talking about.

I would prefer instanced housing to be honest. I'd rather sacrifice the current system for one where wards feel alive rather than ghost towns. This would allow everyone to get their house in the location they want. Possibly add in more NPCs to make the wards feel more lived in and it will be fine.

Ideally if instanced it would generate the housing 'when required' meaning unless 10k people all happened to visit their houses on the same server at the same time it would be a lot less taxing on servers compared to running 4320 housing zones permanently on each server.

[Communion]

There is no point to wanting a house. Soul crushing is right. I could care less if we get yet another three-boss + the same old trash mob hard-mode dungeon... GIVE US MORE HOUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!