It's time we get an Extreme Trial Roulette.

[EaMett]

who would sign up for a roulette that wouldn't be cleared in a lockout? xD mentor roulette ex trials are already a pain to deal with as is.

[MontyChamberlain]

There are a lot of short one-liners that simply amount to "no" in this thread, so I'll just reply to the two that stood out to me:

No. It's time people accept to communicate a little with the party finder when they want to group in a MMO, and not rely only on auto-groups made by the game.
There are already too much auto-groups in this game.
Sure auto-groups are "necessary" for content which it tied to the story, but not for other contents.

It would be great if more people used the Party Finder to browse, but I doubt that there are simply enough people looking for random parties to browse in when the duty finder fulfills a similar purpose whilst providing a possible reward via roulettes.

The concept of hating a system designed for convenience is just too reminiscent of jaded MMO players who crowd in the /r/MMORPG subreddit. There is a fine line between seeking out other players proactively and having to wait hours for the right people to answer your call.

Good idea in theory (especially if there was a prestige mount tied to clearing 100 EX Roulette in addition to tomes and more primal drops), but would require a lot of tuning and restrictions to work as intended.

If it's just tomes and there is no said heavy-handed restrictions, it's going to turn into Garuda EX roulette.

I agree that tomestones are not a good enough reward. A mount associated with the roulette is a good incentive, but I'm sure SE can think of better rewards. Furthermore, I think adding a permanent 15-25% echo is a good idea specifically for the roulette, but I am iffy about that because, as I stated in my OP, I do want a way for newer players to get a taste of high-end content in the difficulty it was meant to be experienced in, in the context of a duty roulette.

[Tsumdere]

I agree that tomestones are not a good enough reward. A mount associated with the roulette is a good incentive, but I'm sure SE can think of better rewards. Furthermore, I think adding a permanent 15-25% echo is a good idea specifically for the roulette, but I am iffy about that because, as I stated in my OP, I do want a way for newer players to get a taste of high-end content in the difficulty it was meant to be experienced in, in the context of a duty roulette.

It's something I have mulled over personally for a while since I too would like some form of difficult roulette.

In fact, I just thought of something along the lines of Frontlines "Roulette" where every day it's a different extreme primal, and only that extreme primal. You queue in solo to try your luck at clearing. Rewards would be tuned appropriately (i.e. Garuda challenge days giving paltry rewards in comparison to Thordan challenge days).

This way that people know exactly what they're getting into and whether or not they want to deal with said primal that day. Have the easier ones give less points to gather said rewards from the roulette. People who want to farm up fast will go for the harder primals, but it would not exclude people who would do the slower, easier route of only queuing on easy days.

As for rewards... mass tomes, mount for achievement (100? 200?), maybe guaranteed drop of crafting material and pony/bird/dog, titles, or exclusive glam.

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Just a straight roulette would be a disaster, but I think it could work as a challenge thing.

[MontyChamberlain]

In fact, I just thought of something along the lines of Frontlines "Roulette" where every day it's a different extreme primal, and only that extreme primal. You queue in solo to try your luck at clearing. Rewards would be tuned appropriately (i.e. Garuda challenge days giving paltry rewards in comparison to Thordan challenge days).

This way that people know exactly what they're getting into and whether or not they want to deal with said primal that day.

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Just a straight roulette would be a disaster, but I think it could work as a challenge thing.

This is actually a great idea. This way, players unfamiliar with the trial can read up on or watch video guides (not guaranteeing that that will necessarily happen, but it increases the chances of it), and it makes the run smoother for everyone else. Having daily trial like that with a known EX primal is also a good in-game conversation starter ("Shiva EX is up today in roulette, wanna do it with me?") etc.

[Vahlnir]

It's something I have mulled over personally for a while since I too would like some form of difficult roulette.

In fact, I just thought of something along the lines of Frontlines "Roulette" where every day it's a different extreme primal, and only that extreme primal. You queue in solo to try your luck at clearing. Rewards would be tuned appropriately (i.e. Garuda challenge days giving paltry rewards in comparison to Thordan challenge days).

This way that people know exactly what they're getting into and whether or not they want to deal with said primal that day. Have the easier ones give less points to gather said rewards from the roulette. People who want to farm up fast will go for the harder primals, but it would not exclude people who would do the slower, easier route of only queuing on easy days.

As for rewards... mass tomes, mount for achievement (100? 200?), maybe guaranteed drop of crafting material and pony/bird/dog, titles, or exclusive glam.

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Just a straight roulette would be a disaster, but I think it could work as a challenge thing.

I could get behind this idea.

[linay]

You know what, I wouldn't mind this given the following:

1. Restrict it to ARR and HW content, SB content added in 6.0, ShB content added in 7.0, etc.
2. Make it default to unsynced whether you run it via duty finder or roulette. Since they're old content, no need to sync them still.
3. Have a duty finder option to enter them synced (including min ilvl) for preformed parties that want to run them synced.

Bonus:
4. Not just EX trial, but also add Coil (Normal and Savage) and Alexander (Savage) to its own roulette with the same 3 settings above.

This way, new players can just queue right away with duty finder when they unlock these raids and EX trials and it will automatically be run unsynced and matched up with people running roulettes, and since they'll be unsynced, there is high chance of clear and lower chance of people bailing.

[Meogi]

You know what, I wouldn't mind this given the following:

1. Restrict it to ARR and HW content, SB content added in 6.0, ShB content added in 7.0, etc.
2. Make it default to unsynced whether you run it via duty finder or roulette. Since they're old content, no need to sync them still.
3. Have a duty finder option to enter them synced (including min ilvl) for preformed parties that want to run them synced.

Bonus:
4. Not just EX trial, but also add Coil (Normal and Savage) and Alexander (Savage) to its own roulette with the same 3 settings above.

This way, new players can just queue right away with duty finder when they unlock these raids and EX trials and it will automatically be run unsynced and matched up with people running roulettes, and since they'll be unsynced, there is high chance of clear and lower chance of people bailing.

No thank you. Unsynched is the worst (in my opinion, you're free to have yours), mind-numbingly boring. Most older ex rials can can be solo'd unsynched unless a specific mechanic prevents it.

I want an ex roulette so that I can queue more than 5 extreme trials at once. Because right now that's essentially what I do to "randomly" get one. I enjoy the hard content, I don't mind wiping, and I enjoy helping others. I'm not there to down the boss in 2 seconds without having to try at all.

[RokkuEkkusu]

No thank you. Unsynched is the worst (in my opinion, you're free to have yours), mind-numbingly boring. Most older ex rials can can be solo'd unsynched unless a specific mechanic prevents it.

I want an ex roulette so that I can queue more than 5 extreme trials at once. Because right now that's essentially what I do to "randomly" get one. I enjoy the hard content, I don't mind wiping, and I enjoy helping others. I'm not there to down the boss in 2 seconds without having to try at all.

It's not that helping others is a problem in EX trials. The main issues are the following:

1. Other players don't want your help/advice. Some have that "you don't pay my sub" attitude.
2. They hope to use their gear to ignore mechanics that hurt but don't instantly knock out to zero HP (good luck on that one).
3. When people do clear by the skin of their teeth, they don't at least give a thank you or any sort of gratitude for the help that many others would refuse to give them.
4. If the roulette is done improperly, well expect people for fish for Garuda, Bismarck, Ravana, Lakshmi, and/or Susano EX. If those trials don't come up, then people will just take the 30 minute penalty as if the EX primal showed up in Mentor Roulette for the average player.

[Meogi]

It's not that helping others is a problem in EX trials. The main issues are the following...

While I agree on all your points to a... certain extent. Due to the fact that there will always be people that cause the points you bring up to be proven somewhat true...

1. Most (not all) people I encounter (who have not cleared it before) do appreciate the help. I have macros that I utilize on the regular in Ex Primals when I queue DF on them, and I often first state "I apologize to anyone who knows this fight, for my spam". And it's often responded from the newcomers with "please, keep doing your call outs". They appreciate it.

2. When it comes to ex primals, there's always people that may struggle with latency, or are just very new and quite frankly (I don't say this in a mean way) aren't that good at the game, and fail at the mechanics, but they DO in fact try. They'll ask questions as to "why am I dying", and I'll tell them.

3. I've helped clear many people's first time in Ex Primals in DF, and gotten 7/8 commendations at times for helping, and at times in all caps "THANK YOU"s from them for helping them get their first clears. There's always people who of course leave immediately. And there's always people grateful.

4. Totally agree. As you've stated, "if the roulette is done improperly". However, that's on SE to figure out. In my opinion a simple solution to this would be the suggestions some have come up in the "Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower..." thread here in this same category. That if you want to queue the roulette, you have to queue with the iLVL necessary for ALL content you've unlocked, present in that roulette. This, to the best of my knowledge, would eliminate the possibility for rigging the system. And given we're discussing an Ex Primal roulette here, anyone queuing it, would then know very well "hey I might be here a while, and at the end of the day, I might get nothing out of it at all".


If not a roulette, there's yet another option in my mind. Eliminate the 5 instance limitation on DF queues. I currently have essentially created my own, reward-less Ex Primal roulette already. By simply queuing 5 at once and "seeing what happens". But I would love to queue more.

I also like the idea someone else mentioned, of "Here's today's Ex Primal Challenge". Not a roulette, but a daily, rotating ex primal that encourages people to participate in the challenge that day. However I believe this lacks the goal of helping those who have come late to the game, and want to queue (in DF, because not everyone is comfortable with PF) content they haven't completed yet. But it is a step in the right direction towards having older extreme content ran by 1) those who haven't completed it yet and 2) those who are willing to help. Be that for a bonus of some sort, or just for fun.

[kidalutz]

they already have it it's called mentor roulette. And you get 30 tomes for doing it.