Ran'ji > WoD + Oracle of Light + Scorn!?

[Edax]

Besides leading Eulmores army against Sin Eaters for decades? Besides training multiple generations of Minfilias against the Sin Eaters?

The problem with this line of logic is that the Eulmorean Army that has been fighting Sin Eaters for decades and thus should be stronger than Ran'ji. Instead none of the Eulmorean Army come close to Ran'ji, along with any in the Crystalium Army (also been fighting Sin Eaters for decades).

[Nalien]

The problem with this line of logic is that the Eulmorean Army that has been fighting Sin Eaters for decades and thus should be stronger than Ran'ji. Instead none of the Eulmorean Army come close to Ran'ji, along with any in the Crystalium Army (also been fighting Sin Eaters for decades).

I think there is a pretty huge difference between leading an army, and being a (frankly) entirely disposable foot soldier... Most who fight Sin Eaters die, we saw that plenty throughout the story. Those that continue to survive do so because they're stronger, and Ran'jit was pretty much at the peak of that little notion. Just because they've been fighting Sin Eaters for decades doesn't mean everyone in their army has been, the vast majority die and are replaced, grim as that might be. As far as I'm aware Ran'jit was the only character noted for serving as long as he had in all of Norvrandt... Seems he also had an oddly long lifetime as well, from what I can gather (since he trained plenty of Minfilias, although I guess they might have a high turn over rate), which only adds to his power level in a fantasy setting...

[Edax]

I think there is a pretty huge difference between leading an army, and being a (frankly) entirely disposable foot soldier... Most who fight Sin Eaters die, we saw that plenty throughout the story. Those that continue to survive do so because they're stronger, and Ran'jit was pretty much at the peak of that little notion. Just because they've been fighting Sin Eaters for decades doesn't mean everyone in their army has been, the vast majority die and are replaced, grim as that might be. As far as I'm aware Ran'jit was the only character noted for serving as long as he had in all of Norvrandt... Seems he also had an oddly long lifetime as well, from what I can gather (since he trained plenty of Minfilias, although I guess they might have a high turn over rate), which only adds to his power level in a fantasy setting...

I see no indications that the Eulmorean and Crystalium Armies have suffered 99.99% casualties over the years.

[Nalien]

I see no indications that the Eulmorean and Crystalium Armies have suffered 99.99% casualties over the years.

I suggest you go talk to Moren and have him retell you the story of the Oracles of Light, then. 99.99% is obvious hyperbole, but the story went to great lengths to highlight the constant loss of life and dire circumstances involved in fighting the Sin Eaters... That's partly why Eulmore became the place it was, people were sick of fighting a losing battle... Heck, if people aren't out right dying to Sin Eaters (and in a battle where your trump-card Oracle of Light fell, one can imagine many regular soldiers fell as well...), they're slowly being turned into Sin Eaters themselves... The Exarch even mentions that it came at great cost to their forces to even learn about the Lightwardens... At every stop possible, they tried to highlight how dire the situation was, then Ran'jit steps in as Eulmores General, old and obviously battleworn, not to mention he mentored numerous Minfilias, who all fell in battles he presumably took part in, prior to Eulmore ducking out of the conflict... That alone labels him as perhaps Norvrandts single most powerful mortal, I really don't get how people can think he wasn't hyped up...

[Iscah]

The problem with this line of logic is that the Eulmorean Army that has been fighting Sin Eaters for decades and thus should be stronger than Ran'ji. Instead none of the Eulmorean Army come close to Ran'ji, along with any in the Crystalium Army (also been fighting Sin Eaters for decades).

The "Eulmoran army that has been fighting sin eaters for decades" is not a single person who has been training for that long. There is no guarantee that any one person who has been in the army over that time is stronger than Ran'jit is.

I'm not sure how you can even go about comparing them.

[Edax]

The "Eulmoran army that has been fighting sin eaters for decades" is not a single person who has been training for that long. There is no guarantee that any one person who has been in the army over that time is stronger than Ran'jit is.

I'm not sure how you can even go about comparing them.

That also brings up a point, the Eulmoran army has been allied with the Sin Eaters for an entire generation, which means Ran'jit would have his combat experience eroded away for decades by peacetime.

[Nalien]

That also brings up a point, the Eulmoran army has been allied with the Sin Eaters for an entire generation, which means Ran'jit would have his combat experience eroded away for decades by peacetime.

He really didn't strike me as the kind of person to let his talents erode, personally...

Not to mention, there wasn't really a "peacetime". Between Eulmore and Sin Eaters, sure. All the other monsters in the world though? They kept a standing army despite having control over both Sin Eaters and their entire population, probably a reason for that and probably plenty of work to be done because of that.

[Alleo]

The problem with this line of logic is that the Eulmorean Army that has been fighting Sin Eaters for decades and thus should be stronger than Ran'ji. Instead none of the Eulmorean Army come close to Ran'ji, along with any in the Crystalium Army (also been fighting Sin Eaters for decades).

Also if he somehow can solo all of us (after we just took out a Lightwarden) why did he never fought against a Lightwarden? Was it common knowledge that the one that defeats it will turn into the next one so he never attemps it? Because if he is that strong..why not take out one of the leaders of the sin eaters?

My problem with such characters is: First we have to fight them in a battle where we normaly dont have much problems until the NPC uses his plotattack to take us down with one hit. If he is that more powerful then show it. Make it so that its really hard to not lose to him in maybe a minute. (At least it was nice that we were standing the longest thus showing how much better we were) Or if you dont want him to be that powerful then let those enemy use bad tricks. Not everyone has to play by the rules so why not have him use some unknown poison on us? Thus the next fight as Thancred, he is prepared against that.

I am just more annoyed how he seemingly always knew where we were. Even in the labyrinth in the woods..

[TankHunter678]

Also if he somehow can solo all of us (after we just took out a Lightwarden) why did he never fought against a Lightwarden? Was it common knowledge that the one that defeats it will turn into the next one so he never attemps it? Because if he is that strong..why not take out one of the leaders of the sin eaters?

My problem with such characters is: First we have to fight them in a battle where we normaly dont have much problems until the NPC uses his plotattack to take us down with one hit. If he is that more powerful then show it. Make it so that its really hard to not lose to him in maybe a minute. (At least it was nice that we were standing the longest thus showing how much better we were) Or if you dont want him to be that powerful then let those enemy use bad tricks. Not everyone has to play by the rules so why not have him use some unknown poison on us? Thus the next fight as Thancred, he is prepared against that.

I am just more annoyed how he seemingly always knew where we were. Even in the labyrinth in the woods..

All you have to do is look at Titania to see why he would consider not fighting a Lightwarden directly. Titania probably also fought a Lightwarden early in the war. Not to mention probably many other would be Heroes that Ran'jit fought alongside of against them. As well as probably the many Minfilias.

Anyways, Ran'jit explicitly mentions that he figured you out in that early fight when he immobilizes you. He is clearly a master monk of the strongest martial art on the first. He may not overpower us, as we were actually beating him in that first fight, but he was able to contest us. The other Scions with us at the time were simply not the best match for him, Thancred could but Thancred had spent a much longer time having to deal with Ran'jit then the rest that were with us. By the time we face him again we have figured out how to deal with his as some would see it "cheap shot". Then we just beat him like we would have at Laxan Loft.

He also, due to Vauthry, knew where each of the Lightwardens were and how to get to them. If there was only one path to get to the Lightwarden in Rak'tika then him knowing it is not that big of a surprise. He also has a familiar that could have been tracking us since it is not in every scene with him until he summons it.