Ran'ji > WoD + Oracle of Light + Scorn!?

[Alise]

With how we have been through until 5.0 I bet we have enough experience to be the strongest person of the world. fighting many worlds destroyer and such. We also get the god blessing and many new power.



Yet, I don't understand how our story that when we recuse the Oracle of Light, met with the Scorn, and having Crystal Exarch near by, we still lose against Ran'ji in this such an upper hand situation!!? He is just a single person......why T_T

[swiss_Momo]

Well, having a unwinnable fight against a end/late game boss early on is a classic RPG trope. Helps showing character growth and helps preventing excessive power creep.
Only real problem I have with both this and the 2 Zenos fights is that they lack any actual sense of "oh crap, he's too strong" danger. You just have to hack away at an inflated health pool until they get bored and one-shot you with an attack you easily tanked the first time they used it

[Alise]

But story sense doesn't do the justice, because what did he do to achieve such strength in the first place?

Zeno was more okay tho. But now, we are equal to Zeno + Ascian, so everyone else should be easy for us!!

[Nalien]

But story sense doesn't do the justice, because what did he do to achieve such strength in the first place?

Besides leading Eulmores army against Sin Eaters for decades? Besides training multiple generations of Minfilias against the Sin Eaters?

He has just as much combat experience as someone like Raubahn, if not far more given the nature of the threat Eulmore faced prior to Vauthry taking the throne. Even with an arm missing, Raubahn gives us a fairly good fight during the Grand Melee (and he completely stops us in our tracks at the start of Stormblood). So really, Ran'jits strength never really seemed questionable to me. Had Eulmore not given up, it seemed to me like he'd actually have been lauded as the Firsts last great hero...

My only complaint with Ran'jit was how his little Dragon familiar/fusion was not remotely touched upon... Dragons shouldn't even be on the First, so that's a big question looming over him already, but perhaps it isn't an actual Dragon, in which case OK... What is it then? Why can he fuse with it? It was perhaps the biggest thing that made him interesting, and I don't recall it ever being explained... I hope we perhaps get more regarding him in 5.x on the Eulmore side of the story, but it feels like it's a bit too late...

[Daralii]

Besides leading Eulmores army against Sin Eaters for decades? Besides training multiple generations of Minfilias against the Sin Eaters?

He has just as much combat experience as someone like Raubahn, if not far more given the nature of the threat Eulmore faced prior to Vauthry taking the throne. Even with an arm missing, Raubahn gives us a fairly good fight during the Grand Melee (and he completely stops us in our tracks at the start of Stormblood). So really, Ran'jits strength never really seemed questionable to me. Had Eulmore not given up, it seemed to me like he'd actually have been lauded as the Firsts last great hero...

My only complaint with Ran'jit was how his little Dragon familiar/fusion was not remotely touched upon... Dragons shouldn't even be on the First, so that's a big question looming over him already, but perhaps it isn't an actual Dragon, in which case OK... What is it then? Why can he fuse with it? It was perhaps the biggest thing that made him interesting, and I don't recall it ever being explained... I hope we perhaps get more regarding him in 5.x on the Eulmore side of the story, but it feels like it's a bit too late...

He refers to it as "Beast borne of mine own blood," which suggests it's some kind of hemomancy or something. I don't know if his black sclera and white irises are a side effect of however he got that power, or if he's been partially infused with Light or something.

[FrejyaAthenes]

I just find it funny that the only expansion to not do this is Heavensward, the one where we're supposed to be depowered and vulnerable.

[Edax]

Besides leading Eulmores army against Sin Eaters for decades? Besides training multiple generations of Minfilias against the Sin Eaters?

The problem with this line of logic is that the Eulmorean Army that has been fighting Sin Eaters for decades and thus should be stronger than Ran'ji. Instead none of the Eulmorean Army come close to Ran'ji, along with any in the Crystalium Army (also been fighting Sin Eaters for decades).

[Nalien]

The problem with this line of logic is that the Eulmorean Army that has been fighting Sin Eaters for decades and thus should be stronger than Ran'ji. Instead none of the Eulmorean Army come close to Ran'ji, along with any in the Crystalium Army (also been fighting Sin Eaters for decades).

I think there is a pretty huge difference between leading an army, and being a (frankly) entirely disposable foot soldier... Most who fight Sin Eaters die, we saw that plenty throughout the story. Those that continue to survive do so because they're stronger, and Ran'jit was pretty much at the peak of that little notion. Just because they've been fighting Sin Eaters for decades doesn't mean everyone in their army has been, the vast majority die and are replaced, grim as that might be. As far as I'm aware Ran'jit was the only character noted for serving as long as he had in all of Norvrandt... Seems he also had an oddly long lifetime as well, from what I can gather (since he trained plenty of Minfilias, although I guess they might have a high turn over rate), which only adds to his power level in a fantasy setting...

[Edax]

I think there is a pretty huge difference between leading an army, and being a (frankly) entirely disposable foot soldier... Most who fight Sin Eaters die, we saw that plenty throughout the story. Those that continue to survive do so because they're stronger, and Ran'jit was pretty much at the peak of that little notion. Just because they've been fighting Sin Eaters for decades doesn't mean everyone in their army has been, the vast majority die and are replaced, grim as that might be. As far as I'm aware Ran'jit was the only character noted for serving as long as he had in all of Norvrandt... Seems he also had an oddly long lifetime as well, from what I can gather (since he trained plenty of Minfilias, although I guess they might have a high turn over rate), which only adds to his power level in a fantasy setting...

I see no indications that the Eulmorean and Crystalium Armies have suffered 99.99% casualties over the years.

[Iscah]

The problem with this line of logic is that the Eulmorean Army that has been fighting Sin Eaters for decades and thus should be stronger than Ran'ji. Instead none of the Eulmorean Army come close to Ran'ji, along with any in the Crystalium Army (also been fighting Sin Eaters for decades).

The "Eulmoran army that has been fighting sin eaters for decades" is not a single person who has been training for that long. There is no guarantee that any one person who has been in the army over that time is stronger than Ran'jit is.

I'm not sure how you can even go about comparing them.