Not sure what is going on in the expert dungeons

[Makarrov]

We've seen no proof that they will ever "make healing a more challenging experience" and their only trends thus far have been to make healer DPS easier with each expansion.

And within any given GCD outside of emergencies, DPS should be the priority, not healing. There are no immediate unmarked two-shots in this game avoidable only by precasting or oGCDs; there's nothing to hold your attention in anticipation of.

Thus, healing ends up much like enmity (if enmity also had massive oGCD boosts via CDs that were largely wasted in held); you need only a maintain a certain margin (1 or more HP) while maximizing damage. The only further limitation is that HP is capped while enmity is not. Prioritizing healing for unnecessarily immediate or GCD-based response therefore reduces the output over time of your healing abilities (not Spells, Abilities -- oGCDs). Given how scripted fights are, a schedule-according-to-dps mentality often tends to create simpler and more reliable responses to mechanics for the healing, as well.

You have one output which is uncapped but for which time opportunities for optimization are far more narrowly defined, and another which is capped but with less defined opportunities for optimization so long as its abilities are being used on CD. Prioritize by the stricter one and flesh out the other as needed, leaving space for your oGCDs.

That may work fine for coordinated savage/extreme runs, but I think most people’s complaints come from this tactic in dungeon runs too. Runs that are almost completely uncoordinated and where there’s usually very little communication. People don’t like having low hp and seeing a healer still casting dps spells. Is it really so hard to keep a group around 75% hp for that comfy feeling vs keeping them at like 9.6782% so they just barely don’t die to the next unavoidable damage? A living party member does more damage than whatever 1-2 more spells the healer would have gotten off.

It’s getting pretty annoying how much people are trying to optimize the fun out of the game.

[Makeda]

My third job is SCH so for the folks complaining about SCH healers I think one issue might be that most of the faerie abilities have no tooltip and are commands. If you five 2 commands before the fairie has done either the second overwrites the first but both go on cooldown... and there’s no indication to show tour faerie casting it so you just have to space it out and hope... in less busy fights you can hear it or see the effect... but in hectic pulls you won’t.

Yoshi-P says they plan to at least fix the tooltips.

That said... I see what folks are noting when I go on my tank. I make a point on GNB to overuse my mitigation cooldowns in dungeons... and I still see healers struggle. I am at 443 iLevel and melded and using my cooldowns and trying to keep mobs in front of me. I don’t go down suddenly... I get worn down and stay there...

I am mot sure why... I do see a lot of healers struggle with MP.

Something in there is just... off... I need to run more experts on my SCH and see if doing it from the other side helps me see it more.

[ReiMakoto]

That may work fine for coordinated savage/extreme runs, but I think most people’s complaints come from this tactic in dungeon runs too. Runs that are almost completely uncoordinated and where there’s usually very little communication. People don’t like having low hp and seeing a healer still casting dps spells. Is it really so hard to keep a group around 75% hp for that comfy feeling vs keeping them at like 9.6782% so they just barely don’t die to the next unavoidable damage? A living party member does more damage than whatever 1-2 more spells the healer would have gotten off.

It’s getting pretty annoying how much people are trying to optimize the fun out of the game.

But what about the people who find optimising fun?

[Makarrov]

But what about the people who find optimising fun?

If your version of optimizing is leaving people one gcd from death, maybe find a group that agrees? To everyone else it looks like a half assed job being done. And it carries an innately higher risk of unforeseen error resulting in someone dying, negating any potential gains.

[Shurrikhan]

That may work fine for coordinated savage/extreme runs, but I think most people’s complaints come from this tactic in dungeon runs too. Runs that are almost completely uncoordinated and where there’s usually very little communication. People don’t like having low hp and seeing a healer still casting dps spells. Is it really so hard to keep a group around 75% hp for that comfy feeling vs keeping them at like 9.6782% so they just barely don’t die to the next unavoidable damage? A living party member does more damage than whatever 1-2 more spells the healer would have gotten off.

It’s getting pretty annoying how much people are trying to optimize the fun out of the game.

It has no relevance to difficulty or area of play. One should be considering their free sources of healing as an output which can be optimized. Excessive GCD healing usage delays effective use of oGCD healing, thereby reducing oGCDs to be used over time and adding uncertainty into the rhythm of play.

For instance, when my healer will always cover the first heal with Tetra if available, then I need only remember if it's been used in the last 60 seconds and I can proceed with confidence, knowing between that my own AoE, the healer's mobs, and that of at least one DPS, enough mobs will be dead by the time my CDs are down. I'd rather track CDs than be uncertain as to whether they'll be used. In wall-to-wall pulls, so long as party AoE damage is decent and healing abilities are used consistently, I'm safe. There's really no further stress, largely because of that simplifying "optimize outputs" mindset. It's only in very difficult content into which healer GCDs (and mob kills) will be insufficient to keep me alive after my major mitigations CDs have fallen off and oGCDs must therefore be saved for passive mitigation only that this method actually becomes merely as difficult as "regular healing", rather than... less.

[Cain-Galeserpent]

FFXIV is worst and worst every year.
I have the same issue with the noob healer, and when that shit happen?.. i just remove my Emt ability, and laugh at healer die before kick him from party.

[Kurando]

I've seen a few healers struggle in Amaurot, mostly with the bombs tethering on to the DPS so they end up having to keep multiple targets healed as opposed to just focusing on the tank. Well perhaps struggle isn't always the correct word, one time a WHM was too busy DPSing that a self destruct killed me because i was at 30% or so HP before it happened, a little top up beforehand and highly likely I would have survived but c'est le vie. Just carry on with the run, hardly worth calling anyone out on anything most of the time.

[ReiMakoto]

If your version of optimizing is leaving people one gcd from death, maybe find a group that agrees? To everyone else it looks like a half assed job being done. And it carries an innately higher risk of unforeseen error resulting in someone dying, negating any potential gains.

Hard disagree here, I tend to leave people at 20-25% with ogcds in the bank and a bit higher if im out of ogcds, on ast the lower they are the more return i get from essential too. Also if i saw someone pumping damage and letting people get low but not dying i would assume the exact opposite of being half assed, theyre putting in more effort than cure bots

[Absimiliard]

You people are putting /way/ too much confidence in healers. 90% of the time dipping below 10% in a dungeon run, whether during trash or a boss, means you are about a second away from a wipe. Consider for a moment that the average player knows little of what they're doing - and they often care even less. Y'know what happens when you assume a healer knows what they're doing? Repair bills.

[Taika]

You people are putting /way/ too much confidence in healers. 90% of the time dipping below 10% in a dungeon run, whether during trash or a boss, means you are about a second away from a wipe.

How often do you wipe in dungeons? I play only tanks and healers right now, only done wall-to-wall pulls (with a few exceptions) in the whole Shadowbringers, and only experienced I think three dungeon wipes during the whole expansion (and I just got the 100 dungeons achievement on Gunbreaker, and additionally have been doing dungeons to level Paladin, Scholar, White Mage, and Astro to 80). Reading posts like these makes it seem like they would be a common thing, something to be constantly afraid of, while in my experience they are extremely rare, so I'm a bit confused.