Customizable pronouns

[cinnamonoreo]

No one in this thread has talked about Trans people at all.

This is exactly why people are fed up with this gender stuff. If i wasn't afraid of being banned from the game i love i would give you some harsh truths but i'll bite my tongue

You really haven't read enough of the thread then. There's literally a post that talks about wanting to separate the T from LGB a few pages back and that's just the most obvious example.

[Ceallach]

It's very widely accepted as singular. You just rarely notice when you use it as singular until someone makes some noise about it. We naturally use singular they when referring to someone whose gender we don't know, for instance. Arguing that it's exclusively plural is fairly recent historically.

I understand this argument, and it's not a logically horrible one. I'm more interested in the scientific view, which presents actual transgenderism as the result of a child's brain being incorrectly formed due to a poor balance of hormonal chemicals in the mother's womb. So for me, this would put real transgenderism into the same category as any other mental illness that one could be born with, such as Down's syndrome. It earns no hatred from me, and I disagree with this form of transgenderism carrying any stigma. However, that doesn't mean we the people should reinforce the delusion that it causes. Like any illness, it should be treated, even if that treatment is only logic and compassion.

However, this is the Internet, and most people I've encountered who say they are nonbinary, transgender, or anything to such an effect is not an example of the above, but rather someone who decided it based on a misunderstanding of things like whether personality traits are masculine or feminine. I'm not trying to be a bigot or whatever here. I'm just saying that this is a factually incorrect view, and as such should be thrown out the window faster than the idea that 2+2=chair.

Furthermore, there is no room for politics in this game. If you want to discuss politics, perhaps find a way for Limsa Lominsa to eventually ally with the kobolds and sahagin so the three of them can share their land.

[Gwenorai]

It's very widely accepted as singular. You just rarely notice when you use it as singular until someone makes some noise about it. We naturally use singular they when referring to someone whose gender we don't know, for instance. Arguing that it's exclusively plural is fairly recent historically.

Yes, it is accepted as singular in common day usage, you know, average every day. Like; 'Hey, they're over there.' compared to the 'He's over there,' even if we know the gender of a person.
It is still argued to be plural. That's just how English has evolved, and how finicky people are. The singular has only become common these days due to certain factors, the movement in gender inclusion. Where a person is better off using the neutral rather than going off appearance alone - this wasn't common back in the day. I'm talking about a decade ago. This only tended to happen when someone has a unisex name, and you didn't know how the person looked or heard their voice.

Will it change so everyone will accept this? Perhaps. But you will still get people arguing that is is plural regardless of historical use. And I would probably still get marked down if I used they/them as singular in an English examination depending on who was marking my paper in regards to proper grammar usage.

And thus a lot of news papers adjust in regards to its usage, preferring to use the name of the person and write around the usage of using specific pronouns than actually use they/them.

Again, this may change in the future where it's completely wiped out and singular use is seen as the actually grammatically correct norm. For now, it isn't. And you will still get professionals arguing about it.

[cinnamonoreo]

Your deep misunderstandings about what constitutes a mental illness aside, I'm really not sure why asking for the ability to customize my pronouns in a video game is a political thing. It literally affects no one else's gameplay.

[Gwenorai]

Your deep misunderstandings about what constitutes a mental illness aside, I'm really not sure why asking for the ability to customize my pronouns in a video game is a political thing. It literally affects no one else's gameplay.

You've been told reasons why. I haven't seen a lot of answers to combat it. The code, the time it takes to reword everything, the cost of it, etc. Do the cons outweigh the pros? This isn't bigotry, it's standard development in regards to all QoL added into a game.

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[Vahlnir]

I'm really not sure why asking for the ability to customize my pronouns in a video game is a political thing. It literally affects no one else's gameplay.

I think it mostly comes down to how often such concessions or requests are asked for lately in the real world. It has gotten to the point where a lot of people are starting to not take it seriously, which is a bit of a shame. People ask for an inch and they take a mile though and that isn't right either.

I'm pretty supportive of the LGBT community, as an aside. Heck, I even have a couple friends who are part of it and they are the most down to earth and kind people you could ever meet. So my position on this is definitely not that of opposition to a whole community. It is about priorities in a video game.

You're right though, it doesn't affect anyone else but those who want it. It's just that there's only so many resources to go around, and something like this seems...unnecessary at this point in time. Most people wouldn't care if they added it. They really wouldn't. And it's not that it's a bad idea either. There are simply other bigger issues with the game that need addressed first is all.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

You've been told reasons why. I haven't seen a lot of answers to combat it. The code, the time it takes to reword everything, the cost of it, etc. Do the cons outweigh the pros? This isn't bigotry, it's standard development in regards to all QoL added into a game.

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[NealSnow]

Boy howdy this threads still going. I do love the use of empathy like you can't be empathetic but not support the ideas/want of a person. Like I have a ton of empathy for emet and the acians, does that mean I have to support the genocide of entire planet's now? No.. that's not how empathy works.

Empathy is being able to understand where someone's coming from, even if you disagree with their ideals. You can understand why they want/Do xyz, but that doesn't mean you condone it.

Do I support non-binary as a concept? Nope, but would I go around punching or intentionally insulting them? Absolutely not.

I may not agree with the concept, but I will still treat you as human.

[Ceallach]

Your deep misunderstandings about what constitutes a mental illness aside, I'm really not sure why asking for the ability to customize my pronouns in a video game is a political thing. It literally affects no one else's gameplay.

It does affect everyone else's gameplay, actually. You're asking the devs to put their effort toward implementing a change in the text of the entire game for barely any players, which would take their time away from developing things like dungeons, raids, quests, and even female Hrothgar and male Viera being playable (assuming that's going to be a thing, I haven't really kept up on it). Also, I believe you're the one with a deep misunderstanding of what a mental illness is. Like I said, you can believe whatever you want about yourself, but if it's factually incorrect (and it is), it's unfair of you to demand that others refer to you according to your fantasy.

Do I support non-binary as a concept? Nope, but would I go around punching or intentionally insulting them? Absolutely not.

I may not agree with the concept, but I will still treat you as human.

In other words, this. Absolutely this.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

Lore wise? Is gender fluidity even a thing in Eorzea? I can't find anything about in any Quest Text. Lore or the Encyclopedia Eorzea