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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    It is still heavily argued to be plural. Even if it was used back in the 14th century, it can just be argued that those works were grammatically incorrect. Shakespeare does that a lot. Just because it's old doesn't mean that it's correct. Hopefully, in the future it will be adjusted so that it is widely accepted as singular, right now, it is not. You'll still get marked down for using 'they/them' as singular in papers for example.
    It's very widely accepted as singular. You just rarely notice when you use it as singular until someone makes some noise about it. We naturally use singular they when referring to someone whose gender we don't know, for instance. Arguing that it's exclusively plural is fairly recent historically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonoreo View Post
    It's very widely accepted as singular. You just rarely notice when you use it as singular until someone makes some noise about it. We naturally use singular they when referring to someone whose gender we don't know, for instance. Arguing that it's exclusively plural is fairly recent historically.
    I understand this argument, and it's not a logically horrible one. I'm more interested in the scientific view, which presents actual transgenderism as the result of a child's brain being incorrectly formed due to a poor balance of hormonal chemicals in the mother's womb. So for me, this would put real transgenderism into the same category as any other mental illness that one could be born with, such as Down's syndrome. It earns no hatred from me, and I disagree with this form of transgenderism carrying any stigma. However, that doesn't mean we the people should reinforce the delusion that it causes. Like any illness, it should be treated, even if that treatment is only logic and compassion.

    However, this is the Internet, and most people I've encountered who say they are nonbinary, transgender, or anything to such an effect is not an example of the above, but rather someone who decided it based on a misunderstanding of things like whether personality traits are masculine or feminine. I'm not trying to be a bigot or whatever here. I'm just saying that this is a factually incorrect view, and as such should be thrown out the window faster than the idea that 2+2=chair.

    Furthermore, there is no room for politics in this game. If you want to discuss politics, perhaps find a way for Limsa Lominsa to eventually ally with the kobolds and sahagin so the three of them can share their land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonoreo View Post
    It's very widely accepted as singular. You just rarely notice when you use it as singular until someone makes some noise about it. We naturally use singular they when referring to someone whose gender we don't know, for instance. Arguing that it's exclusively plural is fairly recent historically.
    Yes, it is accepted as singular in common day usage, you know, average every day. Like; 'Hey, they're over there.' compared to the 'He's over there,' even if we know the gender of a person.
    It is still argued to be plural. That's just how English has evolved, and how finicky people are. The singular has only become common these days due to certain factors, the movement in gender inclusion. Where a person is better off using the neutral rather than going off appearance alone - this wasn't common back in the day. I'm talking about a decade ago. This only tended to happen when someone has a unisex name, and you didn't know how the person looked or heard their voice.

    Will it change so everyone will accept this? Perhaps. But you will still get people arguing that is is plural regardless of historical use. And I would probably still get marked down if I used they/them as singular in an English examination depending on who was marking my paper in regards to proper grammar usage.

    And thus a lot of news papers adjust in regards to its usage, preferring to use the name of the person and write around the usage of using specific pronouns than actually use they/them.

    Again, this may change in the future where it's completely wiped out and singular use is seen as the actually grammatically correct norm. For now, it isn't. And you will still get professionals arguing about it.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 07-29-2019 at 05:59 AM.