Customizable pronouns

[Iscah]

Not what I asked, not the point. It's not an analogy, it's a comparison on how much time people actually spent on that part of character creation. The point of that sentence is to imply that most people won't spend more than a few seconds on that choice.

I'm not sure how the time spent choosing it is relevant though?

If someone asks "how would you like me to refer to you: 'he', 'she' or 'they'?".... how long would it take you to decide the answer?

If the option was there (as it may well be in future games where you create your own character), it's not something you could judge the usefulness of by how often you consider or adjust it. It's something you set at the beginning, and the effect of it carries long afterwards.

How often do you adjust the UI once it's set up and working for you? How often do you adjust the language settings? These things are highly visible and affect your experience, but they're not things you engage with for the sake of it.

Not sure why I was included in it since we're basically agreeing (if you include my other posts)

Oops, sorry! Was going to make a side point about how 5 is a three-digit binary number, abandoned it, and forgot to delete the quote.

[Krotoan]

I'm not sure how the time spent choosing it is relevant though?

If someone asks "how would you like me to refer to you: 'he', 'she' or 'they'?".... how long would it take you to decide the answer?

If the option was there (as it may well be in future games where you create your own character), it's not something you could judge the usefulness of by how often you consider or adjust it. It's something you set at the beginning, and the effect of it carries long afterwards.

How often do you adjust the UI once it's set up and working for you? How often do you adjust the language settings? These things are highly visible and affect your experience, but they're not things you engage with for the sake of it.

You have missed the entire point of my post. Will you, personally, without using your answer as a virtue signaling position (like you kinda are), use that feature seriously?
It's a large development investment, and from my experience with actual representation numbers of people who truly want/need tertiary or further pronouns , a TINY return on that investment.

Would it be nice? SURE. COOL. More people enjoying a game how they would like.

Is it worth it? I postulate it is not.

[Iscah]

You have missed the entire point of my post. Will you, personally, without using your answer as a virtue signaling position (like you kinda are), use that feature seriously?

I'm not saying it should be added to FFXIV. I thought the rest of what I posted in this discussion made that stance clear - it is not logistically possible to add it into this game.

You seemed to be speaking hypothetically - if it were in the game, would you even spend much time using it? - when it's not something intended to have time spent on it, but to have an effect on the entire time you're in the game.

In the hypothetical situation that it was a feature in a game to choose the pronoun your character is addressed by, everyone would be asked the question during character creation, and nobody would spend much time answering it.

[Krotoan]

I'm not saying it should be added to FFXIV. I thought the rest of what I posted in this discussion made that stance clear - it is not logistically possible to add it into this game.

You seemed to be speaking hypothetically - if it were in the game, would you even spend much time using it? - when it's not something intended to have time spent on it, but to have an effect on the entire time you're in the game.

In the hypothetical situation that it was a feature in a game to choose the pronoun your character is addressed by, everyone would be asked the question during character creation, and nobody would spend much time answering it.

And I'm not saying that you're saying it should, my post is asking a question: How many people will use a feature like this?

My original post, which you took one line from and expanded, was asking about how many people would actually use 3+ options for pronouns beyond using it " for hahas". The line you quoted was comparing the length of decision making to something that the majority of the playerbase takes little to no notice of because it doesn't matter to them to make a point about how few of us would even bother. The majority of us pick female/male and just expect those pronouns. it's a non-decision for many people.

Regardless though, we are arguing over my post and your replies for reasons mostly unrelated to the OP. If you don't want to answer my original question then don't. I really don't wish to argue over misunderstandings.

[Angellos]

It's no secret that I'm Trans and my best friend is nonbinary. This isn't about you, this is about the Warrior of Light: And maybe, the Warrior of Light is not non-binary.

That would be an insane amount of work for a very small percentage of people. At the end of the day, you are a minority. A minority who did get a shoutout in Il Mheg. Be happy that you received inclusivity at all rather than demanding more.

[Ardeth]

No. Just no.

[Hatstand]

I can see how there could be some difficulty introducing a third gender option if gender is decided through a Boolean. Although in some systems null is a valid value of Boolean as well as true and false. Idk what language they use or what objects, types, etc within that language they use. And that’s kind of the point. We can’t know what SE can and can’t do, and how much effort it will take. Only SE can. We can indicate a preference for something or not and SE can decide whether they can implement it/whether they have time to implement it. I, for one, would be in favour. However, I wouldn’t want these changes to take priority over fixes to jobs (MNK, DRK, BRD, SMN, AST, and SCH all seem to have a fair number of unhappy players) or other things more central to the game’s mechanical operation.

[noxen]

basically


no

[mario710]

Hi there!

So I'm nonbinary and it's been a real treat seeing gender neutral pronouns being used for the pixies in Il Mheg and for our adorable branch. For the WoL, though, there's always only he/him or she/her. I was wondering if it might be possible to set different pronouns for written dialogue and system messages, either through the character creation process or something in the options menu? It would be a nice little bit of inclusion to have in the game.

Obviously, voiced lines that use pronouns don't necessarily need to change in the process.

Short answer: No.

[mario710]

Hi there!

So I'm nonbinary and it's been a real treat seeing gender neutral pronouns being used for the pixies in Il Mheg and for our adorable branch. For the WoL, though, there's always only he/him or she/her. I was wondering if it might be possible to set different pronouns for written dialogue and system messages, either through the character creation process or something in the options menu? It would be a nice little bit of inclusion to have in the game.

Obviously, voiced lines that use pronouns don't necessarily need to change in the process.

Long answer: Still no.