Customizable pronouns

[Doozer]

Basically, it's a huge effort, you should be enormously thankful to people who make such a titanic task as rewiring their neuronal network just so you hear the "right" word when they talk to you.

I'm pretty sure it's only hard to call someone "they" if you're stubborn and refuse to change your ways. It's actually pretty easy. If you care enough about showing everyone the minimum amount of respect to call them the right name, pronouns, etc., then it's not hard. Saying it's too difficult shows a lack of respect under most circumstances (unless you have some sort of condition that may make such things more difficult, but most people don't).

[Siete]

I'm pretty sure it's only hard to call someone "they" if you're stubborn and refuse to change your ways. It's actually pretty easy. If you care enough about showing everyone the minimum amount of respect to call them the right name, pronouns, etc., then it's not hard. Saying it's too difficult shows a lack of respect under most circumstances (unless you have some sort of condition that may make such things more difficult, but most people don't).

What makes you pretty sure of that?
Have you even read my post? Are you trying to prove wrong how the human brain works? I'd say pretty go inform yourself. It's not a matter of stubborness but learning. What you're asking for is a simple word but the word you're trying to change is something pretty hardcoded into the brain, using the "right" word every single time and out of the blue would incur the person to go into manual mode every single time until after some months or years the words come out natural. Going into manual mode for speech is hugely taxing as I said. Like giving a thesis presentation in front of important people.
You're asking a lot from people, what are you giving in return for such a favor?

[zeylos]

Simple, we're not 24/7 at 100% brain activity thinking everything we do, our brains have premade paths of neural thinking and reacting created by repetition repetition repetition and repetition. So we're mostly on automode, otherwise our brains would literally boil.
So, when we talk, much of what we spew is made by this auto-mode.
If you want people to use those "new" ways of reffering to someone, they have to get those neural patterns remade. Which by the way, it's quite taxing, energy demanding and mildly painful. Just like studying.
Basically, it's a huge effort, you should be enormously thankful to people who make such a titanic task as rewiring their neuronal network just so you hear the "right" word when they talk to you.

so ur sayign that ppl on the USA cant handle to think about what they're doing? I mean, I think its just a matter of trying to just do something easy that will help others and not harm anybody in any way. Its interesting to see the differences between cultures. I dont mean any disrespect to anyone and if u feel something I say is offensive tell me and I'll edit it out

[Specterfuge]

This is going to sound how it sounds.

There needs to be a division in the LGB and the rest of the letters. I have no problem with the LGB aspect, some of the coolest people I know are LGB. The rest of that however, is not a group of tolerance. They are borderline militant in their rhetoric and are extremists at best. I don't want to know anybody from the rest of the letters for multiple reasons.

For one, whenever I see them trying to make a point, its just reduced to slurs. Cis this Cis that and alienation out the gate does not persuade someone to help see things from your point of view.

Many people of LGB's past worked towards making a more tolerant outside community for themselves. The rest of the letters? Forced acclimation to their way or condemnation. That's simply not going to work. This is a PSA for all of you to change your approach so we can potentially work together and not just be forced to appease you.

[Jonnycbad]

The voice actors already use male or female pronouns when referring to you

You may be gender neutral or have a non binary gender irl, but this is Hydaelyn, not Earth.

/thread

[Cled-cat]

Actually, haha, some pronouns are autism-related, not sure how they made them - blame Tumblr. There are pronouns for everything these days. Some will argue why should your pronoun trump there's? Where is their inclusion? Heck, I've seen people who have pronouns that are related to their kins, to pokemon, to colours - etc. I had one person who used 'Feyself' as a pronoun because they thought they were a fairy, and yes, they were serious.

Where will you draw the line?

That’s a bit of a scare-mongering tactic though, since it’s one thing to observe non binary and gender non conforming identities that have been observed for a long time, and then the rabies-sexuals and autism-gender, which have very little (to literally NO) traction in the real world outside of some bizarre tumblr pages. That is not a conversation to be had here, once you start seeing rabies threads and nebula-pronoun threads then you can argue that as much as you please, but that’s probably not gonna happen. So far the points you’ve made are essentially just anecdotes of the truly fringe and often parody “identities” as proof of this being a bottomless well of no return, even if we just observe gender neutral pronouns. I’m not really buying it, the line in this thread has been drawn at non-binary and gender non conforming.

[Gwenorai]

That’s a bit of a scare-mongering tactic though, since it’s one thing to observe non binary and gender non conforming identities that have been observed for a long time, and then the rabies-sexuals and autism-gender, which have very little (to literally NO) traction in the real world outside of some bizarre tumblr pages. That is not a conversation to be had here, once you start seeing rabies threads and nebula-pronoun threads then you can argue that as much as you please, but that’s probably not gonna happen. So far the points you’ve made are essentially just anecdotes of the truly fringe and often parody “identities” as proof of this being a bottomless well of no return, even if we just observe gender neutral pronouns. I’m not really buying it, the line in this thread has been drawn at non-binary and gender non conforming.

How is it a scare tactic when it's the truth. You did not state which genders are to be chosen. You can't stomp your feet and go 'no, you can't bring those up' when we both know said people are also in this community. Nor can you act like I'm being an arse for bringing it up. Draw a line. Simple.

You can then deal with the people who have those weird tumblr pronouns and say how you don't agree with them and have a proper discussion. Far as I'm concerned those are mentally ill individuals, just like gender dysphoria is a mental illness that can often result in adverse effects on one's mental state, even after going through various treatments to align with the sex they desire. And the argument for this is that society doesn't make room for them, yet this does nothing to aid in that plight. All it does is show you personally that pronoun change - it does not show anyone else outside what your pronoun is, so they're just going to say the wrong pronoun anyway. That's what happens when your avatar is either male or female and has no in-between.

[Cled-cat]

I'm a Cat, in real life too, because I SAID SO.


You must now edit all dialogue and voice acted scenes to make me feel special.


Love,
Purrs-A-Lot

Hilarious, are you also an attack helicopter? Bet it took you a while to come up with that once /s

[Alucard135]

I'm a computer IRL. I would love if they made everything binary.

[Iscah]

I need a citation for them programming in gender as a binary flag in this game because honestly, that's a ridiculous and resource-intensive way to go about it vs just defining a variable and calling that.

Obviously at this point it being an integer could help with the request (gender = 5) [...]

Gender is a binary flag because "binary" is how a computer thinks. It's the simplest piece of data they can store. One or zero; on or off. There's no "halfway".

there's also no "need" for it in the programming. It needs to know whether to display a male or female character model, and whether to apply "he" or "she" in the text. There aren't any other options programmed into the game that they need to reflect.

Ah, French localization. They gender everything. Indeed, it would be a localization challenge and for that, they could keep the same overly complicated gender deal going. Given that it's in French, I'm not going to take that as definitive evidence they program it this way globally. If they do, lol.

I assume the French programming needs to consult both the gender and race of the character to select the correct text string. It's not "an extra complicated pronoun tag". It's a line of script applied in that instant, not something that needs to be stored for the character.

. Serious question. How many people in this thread, not virtue signaling, would actually mess around with the pronoun thing longer than they did picking their "birthday" in this game? And not cause it'd be funny have everyone call you "zer". Seriously it would make this game better for you, that kind of "use".

That's not a great analogy. If it was an option it would be a lot more visible than the character's birthday - you set it at the beginning and probably don't adjust it later, yes, but it would affect every single time your character is addressed by gender.

It's on par with selecting your character's race and gender, and other highly visible options that you can't change (Fantasia aside) once you've set them.

Thank you my potatoe shaped friend lol. I have aultism myself and I myself deal with the issue's. I'm not normal, I have a illness. I just don't care! If people accept me fine, if not idc. I'm not gonna demand SE let me make my wol autistic as a result. Be happy with who you are, but don't expect the entire world to conform to your needs I say.

An autistic WoL wouldn't work anyway - they need the natural social skills that we struggle with.

I remain convinced we have a probable representative in the main Scions though... and no I'm not calling him mentally ill.