Customizable pronouns

[Shougun]

I need a citation for them programming in gender as a binary flag in this game because honestly, that's a ridiculous and resource-intensive way to go about it vs just defining a variable and calling that.

Why would a boolean be resource intensive compared to anything else as an option?

I have no idea what the variable type is, I had just thought it was just an integer but then reading other posts figured.. not really necessary at the time of creating the game to be an integer because why for? So it probably is a boolean now that I think about it more lol.

Obviously at this point it being an integer could help with the request (gender = 5) but then we'd still have structure problems in the sentences and likely different problems in different languages (like some words need more than just the pronoun changed to sound right, for example they in English sometimes sounds a lot better with tweaks to the rest of the sentence and cannot just be plopped in simply).

[Gwenorai]

Basically, I wouldn't get offended and insulted if this wasn't added in regards to the devs; no bigotry here or anything of the sort. Just like with the missing genders, it's probably not plausible at this time - or ever. It's just how they set up their parameters.

[Reimmi]

Big waste of time, because they would have to voice act all the "her" and "him" 's going forward with these "pronouns"
if it really bothers you just roleplay it the way you want, rather than waste dev time/resources

[Cled-cat]

Thank you my potatoe shaped friend lol. I have aultism myself and I myself deal with the issue's. I'm not normal, I have a illness. I just don't care! If people accept me fine, if not idc. I'm not gonna demand SE let me make my wol autistic as a result. Be happy with who you are, but don't expect the entire world to conform to your needs I say.

That’s great and all that you can embrace your illness, but it’s a total non sequitur in this. We’re not likening identities or pronouns to autism, they’re two entirely different things, so it’s not really making sense in regards to this thread. The crucial difference you’re overlooking is that there is no set precedence for using autism related pronouns or such and that subsequent supposed impact on your life or gaming. Unlike identities, no one in the game is constantly calling you autistic or anything even remotely related to it in game. Unlike gender, which permeates the game as discussed:

[Gwenorai]

That’s great and all that you can embrace your illness, but it’s a total non sequitur in this. We’re not likening identities or pronouns to autism, they’re two entirely different things, so it’s not really making sense in regards to this thread. The crucial difference you’re overlooking is that there is no set precedence for using autism related pronouns or such and that subsequent supposed impact on your life or gaming. Unlike identities, no one in the game is constantly calling you autistic or anything even remotely related to it in game. Unlike gender, which permeates the game as discussed:

Actually, haha, some pronouns are autism-related, not sure how they made them - blame Tumblr. There are pronouns for everything these days. Some will argue why should your pronoun trump there's? Where is their inclusion? Heck, I've seen people who have pronouns that are related to their kins, to pokemon, to colours - etc. I had one person who used 'Feyself' as a pronoun because they thought they were a fairy, and yes, they were serious.

Where will you draw the line?

Ah, French localisation. They gender everything. Indeed, it would be a localization challenge and for that, they could keep the same overly complicated gender deal going. Given that it's in French, I'm not going to take that as definitive evidence they program it this way globally. If they do, lol.

It's not just french. Like there's plenty of times in this game where we're called 'Lad/Lass' or 'Sir/Madam' you can't ignore this. It's rather extensive in the English versions, especially since FF14 is set in a medieval fantasy type world, where people are big on titles that coincide with your gender sometimes.

[Harmonea]

I need a citation for them programming in gender as a binary flag in this game because honestly, that's a ridiculous and resource-intensive way to go about it vs just defining a variable and calling that.

Wrong on so many levels. I can't cite first-hand knowledge nor tell you how to gain that knowledge on the OF, but all you have to do is crack open the dialogue files and look for yourself to see all the checks. You'll see lines like "Flattery will get you nowhere, {if(5) (my dear) else (dear boy)}!" EVERYWHERE.

And if you think that's resource intensive, it's because you're only considering he/she and him/her. Yes, if those were the only gender references in our dialogue, storing them as customizable plaintext would be a good idea. But it's not, and that you think it is shows your shortsightedness.

We are called madam or ma'am and sir. Milady, milord, lady surname, lord surname. Boy and girl. Lad and lass. Some angry NPCs pick one of two b-words to describe the WoL, and several others use the gender switch to change whole sentences around to either flirt with the WoL or treat them with aloofness. For example, one popular NPC will openly confess to a female WoL that he is "quite taken with" her around level ~18. A different class quest NPC will invite a female WoL to have a drink while telling a male WoL to go away and stop scaring off the ladies.

And again, you're ignoring the other languages, where you're the "{if(5) (Guerriere) else (Guerrier)} de tenebres." Half the sentence gets gendered if it's referring to your character.

Storing gendered language as customizable plaintext is on no planet a less resource-intensive solution than a boolean variable.

[zeylos]

Hi there!

So I'm nonbinary and it's been a real treat seeing gender neutral pronouns being used for the pixies in Il Mheg and for our adorable branch. For the WoL, though, there's always only he/him or she/her. I was wondering if it might be possible to set different pronouns for written dialogue and system messages, either through the character creation process or something in the options menu? It would be a nice little bit of inclusion to have in the game.

Obviously, voiced lines that use pronouns don't necessarily need to change in the process.

I would personally like this, but I think that considering it would likely cost quite a few resources it isnt thta necessary, and I'd encourage you to take it asa character you are lookign at and not yourself ^^

[zeylos]

I dont understand how for ppl in the USA is so difficult to just call somebody they if they want to

[Siete]

I dont understand how for ppl in the USA is so difficult to just call somebody they if they want to

Simple, we're not 24/7 at 100% brain activity thinking everything we do, our brains have premade paths of neural thinking and reacting created by repetition repetition repetition and repetition. So we're mostly on automode, otherwise our brains would literally boil.
So, when we talk, much of what we spew is made by this auto-mode.
If you want people to use those "new" ways of reffering to someone, they have to get those neural patterns remade. Which by the way, it's quite taxing, energy demanding and mildly painful. Just like studying.
Basically, it's a huge effort, you should be enormously thankful to people who make such a titanic task as rewiring their neuronal network just so you hear the "right" word when they talk to you.