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  1. #91
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    Rockette's Avatar
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    Rocket Teira
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Things ACT has given us that everyone who is anti parser conveniently forgets but benefits from:
    • Stat weights for sub stats - ie: which materia do I meld?
    • Optimal Openers
    • Optimal rotations in the form of guides, infographics
    • Insight into how a job performs personal dps and raid dps wise
    • Is this incoming damage physical or magical? Can we check?

    Things a parser CAN provide if you choose:
    A meaningful way to self-critique and improve your own gameplay.

    Things that already exist and won't change from a personal dps metre:
    FFlogs.

    How will a PERSONAL parser with the existing rule of no toxicity towards other players change the game? It won't. DPS metres exist, we all benefit even in a small job knowledge way from them, official or not.

    Stop acting like someone's request to improve themselves is somehow the same thing as pointing you out as bad at the game.
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  2. #92
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    TaranTatsuuchi's Avatar
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    Aryn Tatsuuchi
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    Balmung
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    I've never used one, but I support parsers...


    Quote Originally Posted by LiteBrite View Post
    ... If i said the water was wet, you argure and it isn't. But that's how you roll
    Well...
    Sometimes it isn't...
    (5)

  3. #93
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
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    The best alternative for PS4 players is to Stone Sky Sea and calculate your dps with http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/ This at least lets you know what you're capable of in a perfect non raid buff scenario.

    This just won't work for Dancer since the site hasn't been updated since StormBlood.
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  4. #94
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    RikuShieran's Avatar
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    Kjah Molket
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 80
    This is such a non-debate, it's actually insane. Why people still argue this is beyond me but I've never spoken about it so here goes.

    Personal DPS meters are objectively harmless. Stone Sky Sea functions somewhat as a personal DPS meter, even if you can kill it with time to spare -- you can determine how well you did by how much time you still had left once the dummy died, or the percentage of its health in case you couldn't down it in the allotted time. It won't give you specific numbers and it can't account for party dynamics like Trick Attack windows, dance partners, Litany, DRG tether, Brotherhood's passive, cards and all that, but it's better than nothing. Its HP is static, which means you can absolutely determine improvement through the information it gives you.

    People already use parsers and there's very little drama around it. I'm on PS4, I'm a mediocre player, I go all the way between greens when stuff launches to purples after a few kills. I never really get any golds. I'm not in a static at the moment so I don't really have control over which of my logs get uploaded (if any at all, really) but my character's name is Kjah Molket if anyone wants to see. I'm sure there's some still from Omega in there somewhere. I've never once been harassed for my DPS and I've been playing for ages. Not in a static, not in PUGs, never.

    If people harass you over your personal DPS, report them and move on. Being a sub-par player is not against the rules and it's not "Toxic" either, like some people here say. That's just ridiculous. But on the other hand, if you are that player being kicked for low DPS, that's not in and of itself toxic behaviour either unless they verbally harass you -- it's important to understand that. It is not another players' job to carry you and it's completely understandable that a player will choose a more formidable party member over you. It's not just understandable, it's basic logic.

    Furthermore, I'm usually a disgusting SJW in general and I hate the "it's your own fault" spiel but I'll have to parrot it here somewhat: If you are looking to engage in Savage level content (nevermind Ultimate), you must, by NECESSITY, understand that it's completely performance driven -- mostly but not entirely because of its reliance on enrage mechanics -- and you will underperform at some point, and someone will point it out. It is an integral part of it and it cannot be avoided. If that's not up to your liking, don't engage at all!

    If your argument against having a parser in PS4 is that you secretly don't want to accept how bad you are, that's a you thing. It's just you. Everybody already knows it's a self-esteem thing so why even bother trying to pretend it's not? You're smarter than that.

    If you want to avoid any drama, find yourself a friendly static that either helps you improve or doesn't care too much about your performance. But keep in mind you'll run against a wall that no party can put you over, at some point.

    Square Enix should absolutely implement a personal parse system for all available systems the game functions on. It is objectively harmless, objectively useful and, more importantly, objectively optional.

    Square Enix should retain its policies of harsh punishment to anyone that, through the use of a parsing software and for any reason whatsoever, decides to harass, humiliate or degrade a player for being bad. Being a bad player is not against the rules, never will be, and life is much bigger than this game.
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    Last edited by RikuShieran; 07-31-2019 at 11:04 AM.

  5. #95
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    Goblin
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Derceto View Post
    Parser? You mean, you want to hold people accountable? In today's victim era? Are you mad?!?
    You seem to be confused on the concept of accountability. Who are you to hold someone else “accountable” if they’re doing mechanics? Are you only parsing when you’re group leader or are you just joining someone else’s group and deciding yourself to hold others accountable? DPS parses aren’t “accountability” but that mentality is exactly why FFXIV benefits from not having them as a support add on.
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  6. #96
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Personal dps as a number says you virtually nothing if its not compared to other people relative performance.
    We cant have some of the npcs glamour because of "reasons" and you are expecting SE to deliver a dps meter for consoles? Oh give them a break, its not going to happen even if they want to, its complicated process and will only put additional strain on already loaded server...
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  7. #97
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Honestly all you need to do is read some class guides and look at your aggro bar (If you're 1st or second behind the offtank then you're doing really good)

    There is such a thing as parsing too much and honestly it takes a lot of the fun out of the game to constantly check your numbers to see if you're doing well.
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  8. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by RikuShieran View Post
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    Only issue is that we're not allowed to mention any numbers we may see when doing content, so if you wipe on a boss at 1% and then you see that your black mage is only doing 6k then you can't really say much other than ask them if they're only using ice spells >.>

    As much as I like the idea of not being able to speak negatively to someone based on their numbers, there are people who hold groups back simply because they're playing badly and making content for said group unclearable unless they either shape up or get replaced.
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  9. #99
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    Limited Edition
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Nah. I reported a guy today openly talking about his parser use in chat. Felt good to do my part for the community.
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    Why do people come up with arbitrary and fake complaints to fuel problems that don't exist?

  10. #100
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Oh give them a break, its not going to happen even if they want to, its complicated process and will only put additional strain on already loaded server...
    PVP already tracks the total damage that players deal (and shares it with everyone at the end, to boot). The "complicated process" is already built in to the game.

    https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/m...ry_screen1.png
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