Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
My problem with this is that a handful of people using parsers as evidence should not be a case against the parsers themselves. You don't necessarily need a parser to tell when someone's doing something wrong, and you definitely don't if they're doing something very wrong. I've seen plenty of players who thought they were good when they were actually average at best and godawful at worst - both in this game with no parser, and in several other MMOs I've played.

Parsers are a tool. One that can be extremely useful when used correctly. I won't deny it can be used as a tool to harass, but in most cases that kind of bad behavior likely would've been present anyway. People who are inclined to be rude are always going to be rude - all the numbers can do is prove them right, or sometimes even prove them wrong. Had more than a few times in WoW where someone tried to complain at me or a group member, only to have a parser linked to show them that the person they were whining about was more than pulling their weight. Good way to get those types to quiet down fast.

What happened in this thread was a silly debate that went too far, but that's no fault of any parser.
I know, but they aren't doing anyone any favors. I'd LOVE to have a sanctioned parser. I used it in WoW this expac when I dabbled in raiding above LFR for the first time since Cata. I went from trash to decent almost overnight.

If we could get say, a parser that only is available in pre-made high level duty parties, and some AoE markers added to the Stone Sky Sea dummies, we'd have some really great tools for personal improvement. Right now we have a third party website where people can give you grief for your performance in that one Rabanastre you got roulette'd into at 3 AM while you had a head cold in vendor gear 2 years ago.
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