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    Player Caitsithhh's Avatar
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    Junji Lucilfer
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    Gilgamesh
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    It will change. Right now if someone calls you out for low dps you ask how they know. When they reply that they run a parser you can then report them for 3rd party software and they will get their account suspended or banned. Because of this people keep quiet. This does not apply to static groups.

    If they allow parsers then it will turn into "must have minimum dps >= X else kick".

    Not sure if you ever followed the Japanese server raid groups or not. They go by the "follow the mechanics and stay alive and we win".
    You’re talking about two completely different cultures so it’s not really a good point to bring up. Also I’d argue the console gaming scene there is much larger than the pc crowd we have here. They consume their content differently. From what I’ve heard they don’t have mechanic problems there in their pug scene sooo....
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    Saintly Gallowmere
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 64
    So far i don't see any problem with having a parser.

    As others said those who gonna use it as an excuse to kick people in non - EX/Sav content would do the same even now.
    The only ones who'll see drastic changes probably are those who try to leech/get carried on EX/Sav PuG's.

    At least no-one would be against an EX/Sav only purser right?

    LE:
    Quote Originally Posted by Misutoraru View Post
    *snip*
    Just saw your post actually, how about if its available only in EX/Sav?
    This content is aimed to the HC crowd anyway.
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    Last edited by Saintly; 08-04-2019 at 01:13 AM.

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    Miles064's Avatar
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    Elisandra Voras
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    There is a big difference between dps A doing 8k and dps B doing 6k vs dps A doing 8k and dps B doing 2k in the lvl 77 dungeon. 8k vs 6k is a huge difference but the 6k could have a lot of reasons for being so low. Never seen the fight, got some new moves they havent figured out yet, messed up/died, lacking powerful moves still, etc. It happens, and it is a lvling dungeon. You could even argue 6k is the avg and they did nothing wrong, the 8k dps was just really good. 8k vs 2k though? No dps at lvl 70+ should ever be pulling 2k while alive in aoe or st, ever.

    Dps numbers on a parser mean nothing without context, something most understand when around them for any length of time. If someone dies to something at the start of the fight and has low dps in a lvling dungeon, better luck next time. If they are alive and only pulling 2k(lvl 77 dungeon) the entire fight? They are legit doing something really wrong that needs to be fixed.

    Calling someone out for 6k dps in the lvl 77 dungeon on a boss would be pretty toxic imo(pretty sure everyone but healers can do more than 6k in aoe). Calling out someone(again alive the whole fight) doing 2k should be perfectly valid. They are getting carried and need to improve. If they got to lvl 77 like that I doubt they are going to get any better at max without changing something.
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    Granyala's Avatar
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Miles064 View Post
    Calling someone out for 6k dps in the lvl 77 dungeon on a boss would be pretty toxic imo(pretty sure everyone but healers can do more than 6k in aoe). Calling out someone(again alive the whole fight) doing 2k should be perfectly valid. They are getting carried and need to improve.
    In the real world of WoW, when 8K was the max, a dude doing 6K would never be talked about. Everyone knows that when you PuG you will encounter people with less skill. 6/8 is still very good and easily enough to clear content.

    The 2K dude would probably get encouraged to do more/given a few pointers if his mistakes were obvious enough, if he fails to do so he would be kicked.
    Rightly so, no one liked to drag dead weight through content.

    But people here will argue that confronting the half AFK 2K person is totally "toxic" and that it is your God givn duty to drag his rear end through till kingdom come.
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    Diggles Dundee
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LiteBrite View Post
    Congrats PC elitists on keeping the parser for yourselves, and being allowed to breaking the rules using third party software.
    You are using an objectively inferior platform and asking for a feature that isn't even officially supported, but rather possible due to the nature of the PC platform. It boggles my mind how entitled you have to be to not understand the difference. Square has nothing to do with the existence of parsing software. They are not going to add an official one just because the console peasants are rustled by not having it. PC has ALWAYS been the platform for addons and mods. This would be like a console player whining about not having the same access to Skyrim, Minecraft, etc. mods that PC players do. You chose to play on the inferior platform, so you don't get the same options - simple as that. It's always been this way.
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    Character
    Ameliana Desalian
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 74
    To addendum the above:

    Holy Spirit is your lead off, because it has a cast time, which doesn't exist as you're the first one to make an attack.

    Fortification is your basic damage reduction ability and is instant cast.

    Fight or Flight is an instant cast that ups your damage.

    Spirits Within is an instant cast that deals single target damage.

    Prominence is an instant cast that deals AoE damage.

    Fast/Riot/Goring - The basic combo that places a 10 second DOT on the target. This combo starts at second 0 and takes 5 seconds to complete.

    Fast/Riot/Royal Authority is the second combo and starts at a 2.5 second position after Goring Blade. This completes at 7.5 seconds after the application of the Goring Blade.

    You recycle into Fast/Riot/Goring with a 2.5 second interval between when the Goring DoT applies giving you maximum DoT spread while taking advantage of the heavier Royal Authority.

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    You do NOT need a parser to learn that. You can just read the abilities.
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    Mari Yumishi
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saintly View Post
    So far i don't see any problem with having a parser.

    As others said those who gonna use it as an excuse to kick people in non - EX/Sav content would do the same even now.
    The only ones who'll see drastic changes probably are those who try to leech/get carried on EX/Sav PuG's.

    At least no-one would be against an EX/Sav only purser right?

    LE:


    Just saw your post actually, how about if its available only in EX/Sav?
    This content is aimed to the HC crowd anyway.
    Yeah an EX/Sav only parser would be great since that is really the only content it is the most helpful. Would be a good compromise (Though it is nice to parse a six minute fight on a dummy and upload it to fflogs then post the logs in the Balance server and have people look over it to spot any basic mistakes you might be making in your opener and rotation)
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