Please let PS4 parse our dps like pc

[Granyala]

I started WoW completely new in 2018 on december, got to 110 lvl something and tried to run dungeons with my monk tank.
I was being told my dps is "dip s***" that i am a noob and should play hello kitty online, also being kicked a lot of times, i has been kicked for being a "first timer" also. Tried playing DPS monk, it was the same. ASked why i didnt have a heirloom gear and etc.
Never again.

Yikes. Sorry to hear that.
I've never seen anybody get dissed over not having heirlooms in leveling content. ESP not a new player since they are intended for alt characters. O_O
Guess assholes will be assholes.

Ironically, the one AST I ran with … Also treated me as a Heal bot and never even used Earthly Star. Just spammed Malefic.

Hmm wouldn't work with me... because I am the heal bot. I enjoy pushing HPS more than DPS so usually my co healer gets to play Glare/Malefic/Broil bot.
Unless he is of a similar mindset... then we see how much overheal we can push and have a chuckle.

I'm with you on the fact that a parser won't spur impromptu improvement. They are there to pinpoint issues and encourage thought about possible solutions. That takes time and often a lot of practice / unlearning of bad habits etc. Nothing you can do within 2-3 tries of a boss.

[Zsplash]

FFXIV community is obsessed with healers doing DPS because all fights are predictable where there is a lot of down time where heals simply are not needed. SE says they want healers to be more heal focused but then we are given dungeons where healers don't need to heal half the time. All the fights are scripted so once you learn the fight ,you know whats coming next with the most randomness being boss is either gonna go with a "X" style attack or a "+" style attack.

yes that's a whole gameplay mechanic issue/boss development issue. Healing is too easy, mechanics work like clockwork and there's very little consistent dmg requiring healing that hits everyone typically. Raises being infinite also promote a sloppy replay of the same old requirement of "one hit kill" mechanics since 1.x primals.

You'd think at some point SE might realize their own healer gameplay including CDs and how mana regeneration works is limiting their development. Or try to develop a true raid above 8 players that isn't just for catch-up gear. Instead it's the same old formula, just like they still include dps check mechanics yet refuse to add addon functionality to the game. There's no reason for it other than that they probably can't, don't know how to or don't want to. Toxicity is just an excuse to throw out there, ffxiv is plenty toxic at times and usually none of it even has to do with the DPS, plus SE already knows everyone can use them so...

[Sylve]

Honestly, as someone coming from WoW which features(d)? a "pure healer" approach:
I think that is less a problem of parsers and more of a problem with how absurdly obsessed the FF-XIV community is with healers DPS.

I'm all for filling downtime etc but at times I find the fact that healers seem to define themselves by being a green 1 button mashing DPS a wee bit disturbing.

If it were up to me, I'd still shift the design towards even more healing and less downtime because, if you ask me: there is nothing more boring than mashing the glare button +100x during a boss pull b/c the boss can't seem to be arsed to do some damage to the raid.

After doing E1N 7 times for boots and getting Glare Mages every time (Kudos the one SCH I got who actually healed with me), I ran an experiment on the 8th. I would simply not heal for the first 10~ seconds of the fight while doing cards and see how the co healer reacted.
Then I raised the Main Tank. The co healer never noticed the dead Tank.
So yeah, experiment success. That was basically the theme across all my runs tonight excluding a great WHM partner on the one E4N I ran to get my last drop.
The co-healer WHM would ALWAYS just go balls to the wall DPS and ignore any actual healing requirements outside of dropping a Medica II when party damage happened.
Ironically, the one AST I ran with … Also treated me as a Heal bot and never even used Earthly Star. Just spammed Malefic.

Honestly, I want party busters to get randomized cooldowns on use. Break away from the clockwork nature of it and force people to heal more. Its kind of why we're in the party in the first place.

On the topic of parsers, I don't trust this community as a whole to understand the numbers presented in them. As such, I don't trust them to have a ToS legal version with which to misunderstand and attack others over.

As to the guy who mentioned the 30% Innocence EX Enrage, a parser wasn't required to discover that everyone except the Healers were objectively failing at their jobs.

Parsers are great tools for groups to analyze performances AFTER the completion of a raid session. What they are objectively useless for is helping an individual better themselves within the raid session.
Its only after analyzing the metrics of the entire session that you begin to formulate improvements to your play.

A built in parser will be used incorrectly by all but those experienced in reading the information. Even if it was just personal, everyone will be told to provide their performance for scrutiny by the party leader. Before and after the run.
I have fond memories of being asked by many a PuG Raid Leader "whats your HPS" when offering to heal back in BC era WoW …

[Mezzoforte]

All of our dps data is being uploaded and PC players watch their dps like a hawk and upload it. This is fine, I would just like the option to also be able to watch my dps.

I just started doing Eden and ex'es and yep my parse is hot garbage from what some pc players must have logged of my performance.

Please give ps4 players a way to track their dps. Even if it's just our dps that would be fine. I don't care what others are doing really. I'm just trying to improve my own crappy play.

I've passed the stone, sky, sea thing it's not good enough. I practiced on these before I went in to ex. It's not like being in the fights at all because there are no mechanics to dodge.

I know "get a PC". I can't afford one. Yes, I I'm a loser that sucks at life and need to get a job.. this is not an option for me at the moment as I'm a gimp (gimps have a lot of time for mmorpgs)

Moving on. Fflogs is an enormous part of XIV endgame. Accept it and give us the tools to work with it please.

They aren't "letting" anyone use parsers. They are against the ToS. You have some pretty stiff risks using any. That is just one of those many reasons people use PC over PS4 for online stuff.

[Granyala]

They aren't "letting" anyone use parsers. They are against the ToS. You have some pretty stiff risks using any.

None at all actually.
Unless you want to use the parser in order to trashtalk other people, then yes: you will get GM actions taken and rightly so.

@Thamorian: Which is why I am advocating a harsher design that lets healers be healers and not 1 button green DPS.

@Nedkel: as someone that played WoW for 10 years w/o any DPS parser related issues (barring my poor Core2Duo being overtaxed by recount way back when ) I tend to disagree. Then again, my experience running random raids are severely limited, b/c I can't be arsed to progress the same boss with a different troupe each week, so take that into account.
I have never been dissed b/c of my performance in dungeons or LFR (barring herp-a-derping due to brainlag but you don't need a parser for that^^).

Normal mode / dungeons do not have enrages, so parsers are only there for funsies. people fussing over crappy DPS in freelot content are ... well... chuckle worthy. To put it politely.

[Caitsithhh]

You are not obligated to reply nor stalk me. Please cease in doing so. I stand by all I have said, and will not be swayed otherwise. This thread is a different conversation, one in which I should be permitted to explain my stance on without being harassed by others from another topic.

Report away. I was bringing up to the forum community that your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. While bringing to light why your stance is the way it is. Just don’t lie on public forums and people won’t bring evidence to light that contradicts everything you say from then out. Constructive talk on a forum about parsing isn’t “I reported this player for parsing hence I did my part”. I did nothing against ToS. Have never shamed anyone in game for being grey. I will 100% call BS though. Not against ToS. As much as you want it to be against ToS for anyone to do something you don’t like, that’s not how online games work.

[Demetri_Delethorn]

Report away. I was bringing up to the forum community that your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. While bringing to light why your stance is the way it is. Just don’t lie on public forums and people won’t bring evidence to light that contradicts everything you say from then out. Constructive talk on a forum about parsing isn’t “I reported this player for parsing hence I did my part”. I did nothing against ToS. Have never shamed anyone in game for being grey. I will 100% call BS though. Not against ToS. As much as you want it to be against ToS for anyone to do something you don’t like, that’s not how online games work.

I have not lied, you have called nothing out. You've done nothing.

[Saintly]

I have not lied, you have called nothing out. You've done nothing.

So have you posted any proof of your claims yet? :3
I mean for a "top tier healer" providing the slightest of proof shouldn't be a problem.

[Typhoria]

When someone is dead weight, and the healer decides not to res them as soon as they die, that's not on the healer. Honestly, I don't get why healers are blamed when someone dies to avoidable damage, or when the healer is doing damage instead of keeping people at 100% health. People don't need to be topped off.

Few days ago while I was finishing leveling Scholar, I had the displeasure of doing Malikah's Well with a dead weight Black Mage.

By dead weight, I could visibly see that his casts were Fire 1 -> Fire 1 (Fire 3 on Firestarter) -> Fire 1 until oom -> Transpose -> Blizzard 1 until full MP -> Fire 1... No AoE at all when the tank was wall-to-wall pulling.

On the last boss, he gets clipped by the last 2 Heretic's Fork casts after having 1 vulnerability stack prior and has the audacity to complain about me not instant rezzing him.

Yep, let me waste all my Aether trying to prevent your death, swiftcast, and a ton of MP because you are too lazy to move while doing your lazy Black Mage "rotation".

[Dogempire]

Honestly, there's a simple solution to these problems, only provide an ingame parser on high end content, Ie: Extreme, Savage, Ultimate.

Also tell us how much hp the enemy dummy has and how long it took you to kill it for stone, sky, and sea and other similar dummies you wail on.

I don't get why content that has a partywide dps requirement also has no way of getting feedback on the performance of your party without the use of third party software.

And if you're afraid of elitism in high end content, git gud, that's all I can really say.