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    Delis's Avatar
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    Mari Yumishi
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LiteBrite View Post
    It lets you know your dps numbers, so you can improve said numbers. And people get judged off FFlogs too based off ps4 players numbers, and only the PC players are allowed to break the rules and clearly get advantage over PS4 players, to make their FFlogs look good by using a parser. This double standard the PC players in this thread are to push is pathetic... PC players saying we deserve one and ps4 players don't need one is pretty selfish.
    So go to fflogs and look at your logs and see what you can do to improve. I am on PS4 and my friends upload logs for me and I go to the site and break down my logs and see what I am doing wrong and improve. I don't see the PC gamer as having an advantage since I can go to the site as well and use the information its not like the site says No you PS4 player you can't see this information. Sure would be nice to upload on my own but that is okay since someone else can upload and I still have access to the information.
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    Hash_Browns's Avatar
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    Hash Browns
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    Siren
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LiteBrite View Post
    It lets you know your dps numbers, so you can improve said numbers. And people get judged off FFlogs too based off ps4 players numbers, and only the PC players are allowed to break the rules and clearly get advantage over PS4 players, to make their FFlogs look good by using a parser. This double standard the PC players in this thread are to push is pathetic... PC players saying we deserve one and ps4 players don't need one is pretty selfish.
    Parsers don't give an advantage.

    Parsers let you see if you have improved.
    They don't help you improve.

    You have to improve yourself still.
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    Djar Trovasch
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    I know if I'm not doing it right as I pay attention to what I'm doing. The parser isn't going to tell me:

    "Oops, in minute 3 of the fight, one time you hit 1, 2, 4 instead of 1, 2, 3." I'm well aware of doing that because my character spun and did an AoE when I meant to do a single target attack.
    I mean it literally will tell you that if you plug the log into xivanalysis but go off i guess
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    Diaval Alucard
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by 24spencer View Post
    I mean it literally will tell you that if you plug the log into xivanalysis but go off i guess
    All these tools rely on FFlogs to function though. So if we assumed hypothetically that SE added an official in gamer live personal parser, if no one made any tools to integrate its data with these websites, then it goes back to just being numbers you see. They can't improve your gameplay but can tell you if you're doing good or bad on a personal level only. And that's no different than measuring it using SSS.

    I do agree that the tools provided by FFlogs and XIVanalysis are helpful in improvement. But everyone already has access to them, be it a PS4 player or a PC player. You just need someone that logs the fights. And you don't even need to find someone to ask them to do so. I've pugged all raid tiers in SB and my logs are being uploaded all the time by others without having to ask for that.

    Some of those that want parsers don't even know about these other tools and think that they will improve drastically just by seeing their numbers, which won't happen of course.
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    Deithwen Feainnewedd
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    Phoenix
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    Form? Seriously? That's the rotation I came up with, without a parser, that optimizes my output based on simple math.

    I know if I'm not doing it right as I pay attention to what I'm doing. The parser isn't going to tell me:

    "Oops, in minute 3 of the fight, one time you hit 1, 2, 4 instead of 1, 2, 3." I'm well aware of doing that because my character spun and did an AoE when I meant to do a single target attack.

    Parsers. Are. A. Security. Blanket.

    Nothing more.

    You do NOT need them. They make checking others to make sure they're using more optimized rotations, but they don't help you at all, because you would need to figure out the rotation (by reading) and again, you KNOW if you're doing it right or not.

    Nobody *needs* a parser to get better.
    And yet, a parser is the only tool that lets you know exactly how you perform.
    Without this data, you cannot know for sure.

    The parser will actually tell you how you perform compared to others, and you can see if you're lacking dps, or doing something wrong.
    With the data a parser provides, one can have a precise idea on how to improve, fflogs helping a lot for that.

    Rotation itself is not the only thing that determines DPS.
    OffGCDs usage and optimizations do, uptime does, etc and to know this, you need parsers.

    You can say all you want, but until you've actually parsed yourself in endgame content, and have an accurate measure of your performance, it would be better not to say anything regarding how parsers are useful.
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    The parser isn't going to tell me:
    "Oops, in minute 3 of the fight, one time you hit 1, 2, 4 instead of 1, 2, 3." I'm well aware of doing that because my character spun and did an AoE when I meant to do a single target attack.
    That's precisely what they do tell you and I was explicitly referring to small mistakes you don't readily notice in a busy encounter.

    But I give up, apparently you are all Gods among men. I, as a mere incompetent mortal, take my hat and bow to your omnipotence.
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    Rocket Teira
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Things ACT has given us that everyone who is anti parser conveniently forgets but benefits from:
    • Stat weights for sub stats - ie: which materia do I meld?
    • Optimal Openers
    • Optimal rotations in the form of guides, infographics
    • Insight into how a job performs personal dps and raid dps wise
    • Is this incoming damage physical or magical? Can we check?

    Things a parser CAN provide if you choose:
    A meaningful way to self-critique and improve your own gameplay.

    Things that already exist and won't change from a personal dps metre:
    FFlogs.

    How will a PERSONAL parser with the existing rule of no toxicity towards other players change the game? It won't. DPS metres exist, we all benefit even in a small job knowledge way from them, official or not.

    Stop acting like someone's request to improve themselves is somehow the same thing as pointing you out as bad at the game.
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    Aryn Tatsuuchi
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 90
    I've never used one, but I support parsers...


    Quote Originally Posted by LiteBrite View Post
    ... If i said the water was wet, you argure and it isn't. But that's how you roll
    Well...
    Sometimes it isn't...
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    Otto Majik
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    Mateus
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    I just want a personal parser. Is it that hard? I see the numbers spewing out of every enemy just let me have the option to see my dps. Even ESO has this option on consoles. Just make it so after a player gets out of combat it lets them know in the chat. Maybe some yellow text "Your dps for this encounter was 10,528"

    It would be nice to have a little window to make visible in the hud that tracks and shows the number so I could glance after phases and see where I need to improve maybe with positioning or popping or holding cooldowns etc but if they can't do that just a report at the end of an engagement would be a huge help.
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    Diggles Dundee
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    Goblin
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Lol console peasants are hilarious
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