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[Fayt1203]

You’re arguing a point that I’m not arguing. I literally don’t care how FF games are.

Claim: FFXIV is a story based mmorpg
My point: EVERY MMORPG IS STORY BASED. Quests being optional in other mmos doesn’t mean there’s no lore. The quests just aren’t mandatory.

Counter point: Yeah well it’s a FF game!

That’s completely irrelevant to the fact that other mmorpgs are story based and story driven. I’ve played mmos with more lore than XIV.

It doesn’t matter if the lore is beyond raids. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in Easter eggs in game. It doesn’t matter if the lore is in books or on the forums. Or the story is forced on you or not. Plus liking mandatory quests =/= story driven.

My entire point is: ALL. MMORPGS. ARE. STORY. DRIVEN.


It’s in the name.

Wait i thought MMORPGS stand for massively multiplayer online role-playing game not massively online story driving game :P :P to say that all MMOrpgs are story driven it stretching it there are MMORPGS out there with barely any story in it

[Nims]

Wait i thought MMORPGS stand for massively multiplayer online role-playing game not massively online story driving game :P :P to say that all MMOrpgs are story driven it stretching it there are MMORPGS out there with barely any story in it

I already explained that several posts back. What ROLE PLAYING GAME isn't story driven?

There is absolutely no MMORPG on the market or that was on the market in the last 10 years that did not give you a reason for doing whatever it was you were doing.

There's lore behind the dungeon.
There's lore behind the raid bosses.
There's lore behind why you're killing that piglet looking creature.
And for PvP games there's lore behind why you're killing other players.

That's story/lore driven...the lore is driving you to do x, y, and z. It's up to you to read the quests or not. (If you don't, not shaming you I've only played one MMO with decent lore and it wasn't this one). But once again, I'll make this clear as I can, just because quests are forced on you doesn't make a mmo more story driven than the next.

Calling FFXIV "story based" is appropriate, because all the major advertisments tout the story first and foremost.

Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.

Well, I think thats the problem here - you dont care about how other FF games are and I dont care that much for other MMOs.

Ngl, that's where I stopped reading. That's not the problem at all, the problem is you're arguing points that I'm not making. You're going all over the place to have an argument when the debate at hand is EXTREMELY simple.

The point (AGAIN) is that all MMORPGS are story driven, XIV is not the only one. XIV forcing quests on you does not make it story driven and make the other ones not.

EZ.

[Vidu]

I already explained that several posts back. What ROLE PLAYING GAME isn't story driven?

There is absolutely no MMORPG on the market or that was on the market in the last 10 years that did not give you a reason for doing whatever it was you were doing.

There's lore behind the dungeon.
There's lore behind the raid bosses.
There's lore behind why you're killing that piglet looking creature.
And for PvP games there's lore behind why you're killing other players.

That's story/lore driven...the lore is driving you to do x, y, and z. It's up to you to read the quests or not. (If you don't, not shaming you I've only played one MMO with decent lore and it wasn't this one). But once again, I'll make this clear as I can, just because quests are forced on you doesn't make a mmo more story driven than the next.



Jesus christ, so does every other MMORPG that advertises lol. You get the lore bit then you get the other cool stuff.

Also I mainly play sandboxes and not super strict themeparks like XIV and WoW, so no, I can level up to max level simply by crafting in some of the games I play, they give us options and don't force us down one path.




Ngl, that's where I stopped reading. That's not the problem at all, the problem is you're arguing points that I'm not making. You're going all over the place to have an argument when the debate at hand is EXTREMELY simple.

The point (AGAIN) is that all MMORPGS are story driven, XIV is not the only one. XIV forcing quests on you does not make it story driven and make the other ones not.

EZ.

...I'll just leave this here again: you keep confusing "lore" and "story" which makes a lot of your arguments rather weak and confusing.

A game can have a lot of lore and very little story - or very little lore and a lot of story. Those words dont have the same meaning.

To me it just seems more and more clear that FFXIV isnt the game you want it to be. Thats okay. That doesnt make the game bad, though. This game, with its "forced" quests and story is the game the devs want to make - and enough people who are familiar with this type of game like it enough to keep it going, myself included.

[Nims]

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I'm not confusing "lore" and "story" I use them interchangeably (which is technically incorrect) because I just simply don't care about any of it. It's all lore and story to me.

Also when did I say it is or isn't the game I want it to be? When did I make a formal complaint in this thread about XIV at all? There you go again arguing stuff that I never did.

NO, I don't like forced lore, however that was never an argument, I never asked nor suggested that, that format be changed here. The only thing that triggered me was people saying this is a story driven mmorpg as if others aren't. "ItS sToRy DrIvEn DuN sKiP!" Yeah all the other mmos are story driven and most people skip it.

That's incorrect, Eve for one example, all about the ships and the exploration, maybe some lore behind it but nobody I know talks about that. Destiny & Destiny 2, small mention of story, huge focus on the guns and gear.

In some of the games you play, but not all. It's like they're focused and made differently.

Destiny is not a MMORPG, Bungie has stated several times it's not. Even though it plays EXACTLY like one and I too thought it was that and called it that, but no they're not mmorpgs.

Yes...I said "some" never made the claim "all" however them forcing different things on people or not doesn't change the fact that it's still story driven....not sure what point you thought you had there.

Are you for real ? Its an argument about skipping story cinematic. If it seems like people are making a big deal about it maybe its because it is. The size of the said story content is so enormous people argue its fine to skip it, maybe its because it represente a massive part of the game I don't know...
People argue that the game lack in endgame after the story... well maybe its because the story already take the most of the ressources and maybe it does BECAUSE ITS THE MAIN ATTRACTION OF THE GAME.

Its like taking a milkshake and argue that its not a milk based product because you can have strawberry in it.

No it's a big deal to SOME people because it's obvious a lot of those people are here because it's a FF game first to them. If people are saying there's no end game because of the story that's simply false lol. If the entire and main point of this game was only story there wouldn't be nearly as much fluff and other stuff we have now, it would end after the story.

HOWEVER the amount of end game content has absolutely zero to do with if a MMO is story driven or not. Especially since in most other mmos the raids tie into the story...

[Vidu]

I'm not confusing "lore" and "story" I use them interchangeably (which is technically incorrect) because I just simply don't care about any of it. It's all lore and story to me.

Also when did I say it is or isn't the game I want it to be? When did I make a formal complaint in this thread about XIV at all? There you go again arguing stuff that I never did.

NO, I don't like forced lore, however that was never an argument, I never asked nor suggested that, that format be changed here. The only thing that triggered me was people saying this is a story driven mmorpg as if others aren't.

...you're easly triggerd then...

As I tried to explain to you people dont deny that other MMOs have a story-drive aswell - they just want to emphasize how much of that FFXIV has due to its nature as being a Final Fantasy title aswell.

I mean - an Elder Scrolls game has a story-drive for you aswell, but the main appeal of that game is that you can just get lost in the world for hours, not care about the mainquest and just kill some dude in the end for... reasons that might have been explained to you at somepoint but you forgot because you spend 50 hours in between exploring caves. Final Fantasy on the other hand always took you by the hand, to lead you from one story-event to the next, with less to do in between or to distract you.
Yet both those games are RPGs, appealing to different tastes.
Saying FFXIV has a story-focus doesnt mean that other MMOs dont have some story aswell - it just means that FFXIV has a lot more of it that is a lot more involved.

[Nims]

...you're easly triggerd then...

I'm easily triggered by the most ABSOLUTELY dumb stuff. Like it's so hard to trigger me outside of very small things like "FFXIV IS A STORY DRIVEN MMO" makes me want to club seals. Oh and the word "irregardless".

As I tried to explain to you people dont deny that other MMOs have a story-drive aswell

But they do and for the ones that really aren't...then the whole statement is completely unnecessary. Like that's the entire argument, if you think XIV is the only MMORPG that's story driven, you need to actually play one. If you don't...then why even state it? Why act so shocked if someone skips the story?

[Vidu]

I'm easily triggered by the most ABSOLUTELY dumb stuff. Like it's so hard to trigger me outside of very small things like "FFXIV IS A STORY DRIVEN MMO" makes me want to club seals. Oh and the word "irregardless".



But they do and for the ones that really aren't...then the whole statement is completely unnecessary. Like that's the entire argument, if you think XIV is the only MMORPG that's story driven, you need to actually play one. If you don't...then why even state it? Why act so shocked if someone skips the story?

That sounds unhealthy.
Also, small question - is FFXIV not a story driven MMO then...? If saying "FFXIV is a story driven MMO" triggers you, but you claim that ALL MMOs are story driven... I'm not quite sure what to make out of that right now.

And please tell when I acted shocked that someone would skips the story? It doesnt shock me when someone does that, I just think that its weird they picked a game with so much story if all they wanna do is skip that - but I couldnt care less about how people end up playing the game as long as it doesnt interfere with what I'm getting. And since I mainly want a good story I care about the devs putting their focus on writing and developing one.
I dont think that FFXIV is the only story-driven MMO and I think I'm telling you this for the fourth time now? I only think that for FFXIV the story is more of a focus for the devs than it might be in other games ("more of a focus" doesnt equal "other MMOs dont have a story at all). If FFXIV had as much story as other MMOs we wouldnt get people here who complain that there are to many quests to do and to many cutscenes to watch. If every MMO was like FFXIV you wouldnt complain how this one "froces" its story on you while others dont.

All we're saying is that in the spirit of other FF games its unsurprising that this MMO "makes" you go through a long and involved story with cutscenes that give you warning "this might take a while now" - and if that isnt for you, that if you want a game that says "I dont really care wether or not my players go through the story" then I'm sure there are games like that out here.

[Krotoan]

Destiny is not a MMORPG, Bungie has stated several times it's not. Even though it plays EXACTLY like one and I too thought it was that and called it that, but no they're not mmorpgs.

https://www.gamesradar.com/bungie-co...-improvements/
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/06...-to-play-model

.... WEIRD..

Yes...I said "some" never made the claim "all" however them forcing different things on people or not doesn't change the fact that it's still story driven....not sure what point you thought you had there.

The point being that because SOME offer the opportunity to level differently doesn't mean that games that force you to progress a certain way don't exist. Which was your earlier argument that all MMORPGs are story driven and

The other developers don’t force you to play how they want you to play.

.. cause some do.

I'm not sure why you've chosen to die on this hill of "everything is story driven". cause there's lots of MMO games out there that couldn't care less if you paid attention to the story, FFXIV focuses on it more though. This doesn't mean all other aspects are meaningless or inconsequential, just that the story is both a major selling point and a severely integral and referenced part of the progression. This is not true for every game.

[Nims]

Weird....

https://www.gamesradar.com/what-destiny-if-its-not-mmo/
https://gyazo.com/b2ce501f5e3f584203caca88c142cab7 That's if you simply google "Is Destiny an MMO?"

Here's an article from the same site you used. Also you can just google "Destiny is not an MMO" and look at all the other equally confused people and articles.

The point being that because SOME offer the opportunity to level differently doesn't mean that games that force you to progress a certain way don't exist. Which was your earlier argument that all MMORPGs are story driven and

That wasn't my point at all, you made a point that all developers make you go from map to map, create new characters, etc because of the story. My point was that's false, I played games where that wasn't the case.

=cause there's lots of MMO games out there that couldn't care less if you paid attention to the story

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

[Nariel]

Doesn't. Mean. They. Aren't. Story. Driven.

yeah, like, FFXIV is totaly a PvP driven game too.

You can do PvP, they even make some event about it, stream it sometime so FFXIV is totaly a PvP game. But it can't be wrong just because PvP give access to nothing, don't help progress anything else or even get barely any update once every 6 month.