I don't like using flourish on dancer

[Daws]

I like it. Makes DNC a bit more interesting having to be conscious of your range and movement.

[svann]

The job is called dancer so dancing in and out just makes sense.

[Crushnight]

I can see problems with any group that has a caster and a Dancer, and ranged baiting (ie, UCoB, UWU, o11s, etc) is a thing. The dancer will either be forced to range, or the caster will be forced to do movement mechanics...and right now, no caster likes doing movement anything.

Thats the point of having the job play so easily in rotation.
Of course this can be ignored with another p.ranged DPS, if not, then the DNC has to work out a way to maximize personal and raid DPS for those mechanics. (I dont play DNC myself, but when i did RDM, and had to get into position, for mechanics, and it was time for me to melee, i had to do work arounds. such as mana dumping, etc. idk what the DNC equivalent options would be. I havent even bothered looking into it.)

Dncs should if they know they need to be mechanic baiting far away from the boss be using Bloodshower/Rising Windmill 1st during flourish, if flourish comes off cd while baiting then the 20s timer should be enough time to finish baiting and get these gcds off. Now i haven't tried Ultimates with Dnc so unsure on timings for those but o11s your not far off the boss long enough for this to be an issue.

[HyoMinPark]

Dncs should if they know they need to be mechanic baiting far away from the boss be using Bloodshower/Rising Windmill 1st during flourish, if flourish comes off cd while baiting then the 20s timer should be enough time to finish baiting and get these gcds off. Now i haven't tried Ultimates with Dnc so unsure on timings for those but o11s your not far off the boss long enough for this to be an issue.

I'm considering UwU right now, and Flourish would be used in the opener for Ifrit, and then 60 seconds later, which would be right around when the second Eruptions are happening. However, it would probably be possible to squeeze them out before moving away, or holding them long enough to make it back to the boss where people stack for the dashes. I'd have to actually do it in practice, but I'm basing this off of where my BRD rotation usually was - I entered Army's Paeon during Hellfire, which would be around where a DNC would be able to Flourish again, and you can get a few GCDs off before having to disengage to bait. Third Eruptions (if you opt to hold and see them) won't be an issue as you'll sit on Flourish for your opener on Titan.

For Predation baiting, it's likely that it will still be on CD from the opener. By the time you circle back around to Ultima is likely when it would come off cooldown again, and you'll be stacking close to him up until the Plumes appear and you move back to bait Titan's Landslide. For Annihilation, I'd have to map out a bit more but I think it will also be fine. Flourish would line up with Chain, so it won't be used again until after the Annihilation tether funness and closer towards Suppression's cast. So I think, in UwU at least, Flourish will be easy to manage. I plan to clear it again on DNC, so we'll see if my Quick mental timelining is accurate.

UCoB would be tricker with Twintania if the DNC is to bait. The first Liquid Hells won't be an issue since it's on CD from the opener. It's the others that would probably take some finagling. I'll see what it's like when I go back into there as well.

[Jukebox12]

Is it a nice QoL change yes. Is it needed no people are just being lazy

[Hezzlocks]

Its all part of the dance, my friend! You put your left foot in, you put your left foot out, you put your left foot in and you shake it all about! You do the final flourishes and you turn yourself around, thats what its all about!

[svann]

Its all part of the dance, my friend! You put your left foot in, you put your left foot out, you put your left foot in and you shake it all about! You do the final flourishes and you turn yourself around, thats what its all about!

And do si do!

[Crushnight]

I'm considering UwU right now, and Flourish would be used in the opener for Ifrit, and then 60 seconds later, which would be right around when the second Eruptions are happening. However, it would probably be possible to squeeze them out before moving away, or holding them long enough to make it back to the boss where people stack for the dashes. I'd have to actually do it in practice, but I'm basing this off of where my BRD rotation usually was - I entered Army's Paeon during Hellfire, which would be around where a DNC would be able to Flourish again, and you can get a few GCDs off before having to disengage to bait. Third Eruptions (if you opt to hold and see them) won't be an issue as you'll sit on Flourish for your opener on Titan.

For Predation baiting, it's likely that it will still be on CD from the opener. By the time you circle back around to Ultima is likely when it would come off cooldown again, and you'll be stacking close to him up until the Plumes appear and you move back to bait Titan's Landslide. For Annihilation, I'd have to map out a bit more but I think it will also be fine. Flourish would line up with Chain, so it won't be used again until after the Annihilation tether funness and closer towards Suppression's cast. So I think, in UwU at least, Flourish will be easy to manage. I plan to clear it again on DNC, so we'll see if my Quick mental timelining is accurate.

UCoB would be tricker with Twintania if the DNC is to bait. The first Liquid Hells won't be an issue since it's on CD from the opener. It's the others that would probably take some finagling. I'll see what it's like when I go back into there as well.

That is really interesting i've been working out fights that i have yet to re-do since becoming a dnc around how my nin used to work since Flourish will be up roughly around the same timeframe as trick attack was, while i could speak on Savage, Ultimates i couldn't speak on beyond Ifrit/Nael as that is as far as i got with my group before they took breaks.

Currently for Eden savage i'll have to remember for second boss to go stand on the corner to get dmg up buff pre-pull without pulling the boss XD, lots of new interactions going from a melee to physical range (auto attack being one of the biggest pre-pull offenders)

[Jukebox12]

Its all part of the dance, my friend! You put your left foot in, you put your left foot out, you put your left foot in and you shake it all about! You do the final flourishes and you turn yourself around, thats what its all about!

You my dear sir is getting a hug