Tank comparison at 5.0?

**Tex_Mex** · 07-26-2019 04:16 AM

Three of the tanks are doing just fine, but DRK is lagging behind by quite a bit. DRK needs some love in the DPS area and some QoL in order to make TBN and Living Dead less annoying. Adding 10% physical damage reduction to Dark Mind would also be a good idea.

**Inuk9** · 07-26-2019 04:47 AM

Tank is the most balanced role in this game. Every combination of MT and OT should be possible now with no problem.

Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

Three of the tanks are doing just fine, but DRK is lagging behind by quite a bit. DRK needs some love in the DPS area and some QoL in order to make TBN and Living Dead less annoying. Adding 10% physical damage reduction to Dark Mind would also be a good idea.

No.

If you want to talk about balance DRK is not the only one lagging behind. And it is impossible to have 4 jobs with the exact same DPS. Tanks are by far, the most balanced in all roles.

**Tex_Mex** · 07-26-2019 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Inuk9

Tank is the most balanced role in this game. Every combination of MT and OT should be possible now with no problem.

No.

If you want to talk about balance DRK is not the only one lagging behind. And it is impossible to have 4 jobs with the exact same DPS. Tanks are by far, the most balanced in all roles.

oh god this argument. The topic is tank balance. Not balance comparative to other job roles. If it were, AST is the worst class in the game by a mile. DRK is significantly behind the other 3 tanks in both mitigation capability, and DPS. Other jobs being badly balanced is not an excuse to overlook an issue.

**MaraD_** · 07-26-2019 05:20 AM

DRKs DPS is only behind when you factor in the average DPS people are doing.
If you look at people who dont mess up TBN, and dont clip the GCD, its higher than WAR. (And thats only including WARs who use vengeance for a DPS increase, and on CD.)
WAR is technically the lowest DPS, when all 4 tanks are played properly. (PLD being 3rd from the bottom if played properly, last I saw. Otherwise its 2nd to the top for average players)
DRK on the other hand, is the lowest when played incorrectly. (IDK how, DRK is the least hard to mess up. You can do 123, and press every other CD on demand, ignore TBN, and just OT, and do maximum DPS. The only "challenge" is failing to break TBN. Since TBN doesnt directly deal dmg, its possible to maximize that DPS w/o it.)

**whiskeybravo** · 07-26-2019 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

oh god this argument. The topic is tank balance. Not balance comparative to other job roles. If it were, AST is the worst class in the game by a mile. DRK is significantly behind the other 3 tanks in both mitigation capability, and DPS. Other jobs being badly balanced is not an excuse to overlook an issue.

TBN is superior up to around 150k incoming damage. Beyond that every tank will need to use 2 CDs to survive. PLD is actually the one missing a minor CD, not DRK. And DRK isn't lagging behind in damage, it's #2 behind GNB.

Also, Living Dead, as bad as it is, isn't as bad as nuking yourself with Superbolide in a dungeon pull. At least at take 10 seconds to die instead of a fraction of a second lol

**Inuk9** · 07-26-2019 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

oh god this argument. The topic is tank balance. Not balance comparative to other job roles. If it were, AST is the worst class in the game by a mile. DRK is significantly behind the other 3 tanks in both mitigation capability, and DPS. Other jobs being badly balanced is not an excuse to overlook an issue.

No its not. You mock my argument but you gave none yourself.

I can pull around 6.8k non-padded with all 3 tanks I have in lv 80 in extreme content, with GNB being little ahead and WAR/DRK being around the same numbers. Cant speak for PLD yet,, he is on lv 74.

**Absimiliard** · 07-26-2019 06:52 AM

Dark Knight is currently the weakest of the tanks in damage output even assuming optimal play and conditions. This has been tested extensively. Attempting to deflect attention away from DRK by making the false claim that it's doing just fine is disingenuous and generally harmful to the playerbase. A small number of players finding they get the same DPS out of two or more jobs in the same role does not necessarily reflect overall game balance, as skill levels with each job will vary.

tl;dr: A handful of average player's experiences are irrelevant. These things have been tested. Hard. And DRK? DRK needs help.

**Xia_Thas** · 07-26-2019 06:59 AM

DRK just feels like it's in a weird spot, It's a magic tank, but it also only has like one anti magic skill. It's defensive cooldowns (To me at least) promote dangerous play with players needing to put themselves in harms way / take damage to benefit from them. (TBN needs the shield to break to benefit from it for your DPS and Living Dead is well, the Living Dead) It seems the only thing it can solidify about itself on a patch to patch basis is EDGE MEMES

**Inuk9** · 07-26-2019 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Dark Knight is currently the weakest of the tanks in damage output even assuming optimal play and conditions. This has been tested extensively. Attempting to deflect attention away from DRK by making the false claim that it's doing just fine is disingenuous and generally harmful to the playerbase. A small number of players finding they get the same DPS out of two or more jobs in the same role does not necessarily reflect overall game balance, as skill levels with each job will vary.

tl;dr: A handful of average player's experiences are irrelevant. These things have been tested. Hard. And DRK? DRK needs help.

"Average players" lol

Get your orange unpadded with at least 2 tanks then you can come back and call me average.

A tip for you, the expansion is new, try things yourself instead of being the mob who listen to a famous streamer and take that as the absolute truth. The best players find their rotations instead of looking for guides.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the point is DRK and WAR needs MINOR buffs. They are NOT way behind like you are implying.

**whiskeybravo** · 07-26-2019 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Dark Knight is currently the weakest of the tanks in damage output even assuming optimal play and conditions. This has been tested extensively. Attempting to deflect attention away from DRK by making the false claim that it's doing just fine is disingenuous and generally harmful to the playerbase. A small number of players finding they get the same DPS out of two or more jobs in the same role does not necessarily reflect overall game balance, as skill levels with each job will vary.

tl;dr: A handful of average player's experiences are irrelevant. These things have been tested. Hard. And DRK? DRK needs help.

Tested how? Seems to me a measure of how it's performing in actual content would be best "test" you could perform. And there's about 67,000 results from said testing pretty readily available.

The "average damage" being the lowest doesn't match it also being the 2nd highest at max level. What that really shows is that there's more to optimizing DRK's damage than say, the 1 trick pony known as Warrior, and most people are probably still trying to figure it all out.

But if you don't like raw numbers then go ahead and look at the top 10 tanks for each fight, too.

E1 - 7 GNB, 2 DRK, 1 WAR
E2 - 6 GNB, 2 PLD, 1 WAR, 1 DRK
E3 - 6 GNB, 2 DRK, 2 PLD
E4 - 4 GNB, 4 DRK, 2 PLD

40 spots total for top 10.

23 GNB. 9 DRK. 6 PLD. 2 WAR.

DRK is doing just fine. But all this really shows is GNB could take about a 5% nerf and still be top damage tank.

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