What about creating an ACTUAL Dark Knight?

[Shurrikhan]

They wanted DRK to be a tank, so HP sacrificing moves were out the window. They do have a few lifestealy things like abyssal drain, soul eater, and they used to have sole survivor too.

There's nothing wrong with HP-sacrificing moves on a Tank, as long as they in turn produce eHP in some different way.

In fact, Tanks are the only role in which those moves make sense, as you otherwise have a DPS class that's dependent on leeching healer HoTs, essentially, which would require that healers be homogenized or the DPS viable only in precise compositions around whose side-healing they're balanced.

On a tank it would amount to simply spending HP when you have an excess relative to upcoming healer CDs or HoTs, banking the eHP for later tankbusters, essentially smoothing damage intake and greatly aiding healing ease and efficiency... a near perfect fit for a Tank.

[Reynhart]

Besides, anytime they do any sort of risk / reward people will complain anyway. Just look at TBN. BUT MY 500 POTENCY.

Because TBN is no reward for a risk, only a punishment. You gain nothing by breaking it, you only keep your DPS neutral. Now, make the Dark Arts crit your next Flood/Edge on top of removing the mana cost, then you'd have a risk/reward skill.

[Kaedan]

It is the tradtional DRK. They just traded HP for MP. I made a writeup on the progression of the DRK identity a few months back, and the FF14 DRK makes perfect sense in the context of DRK's design history.

[Rakshazi]

You know, these "high-risk high-reward" tanky jobs that sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves or deliver strong blows?
That literally steals vitality from their foes to survive?
Makes shield out of their foes' blood?
That do ACTUAL DARK STUFF.

Does is speaks to anybody?
Or is that just me? '^'

Chill, mate. There is no DRK in this game. Not anymore.

[Danelo]

given how DRK works and will probably continue to work, this is most likely never going to happen. The only "DARK" move he has is livng dead but then again GNB kinda has the same thing.

... Except way better... I digress, not a LD thread. Errr

[Danelo]

Superbolide sacrifices all your health to make you invincible for a while. Is that not what we are discussing here?. Dark Knight like moves?.

DRK doesn't have an invincibility window to LD. You still take damage from autos, etc. -- you won't die from them until the 9 seconds pass, then you die short whm beni... Usually.

[Reynhart]

It is the tradtional DRK. They just traded HP for MP.

Except that "spending MP" is nowhere near the concept of sacrifice, and if so, casters are much more "Dark Knights" than us.

[MaraD_]

Unfortunately they refuse to use methods such as "sacrificing HP"
despite making the perfect system for it already.

"Sacrificing MP" should have been removed when they introduced Blood.
Blood should have been the replacement to HP, IF you have blood.
If you ran out of blood, you take up HP instead.

The best way to spend HP is in TBN.
spend HP, grant x3 the HP. (Though, by current standards, TBN is 25% HP shield, so number balance would be off. taking up 10% of ur hp for a 35% shield would be a bit crazy.)

But the point is, its all possible, SE just quickly jumps to the "but its impossible to implement!!!" mentality before fully thinking it out. (Look at the same mentality when they made BLU.)
I assume its due to spending a year on making a jobs animations and other factors, they just dont get enough time to think up a job.
Since most balance can be thought up within a day to maybe upwards of 4 days, they must spend less than an hour on each job.
Most likely have a 1-3 hour meeting, where they talk about multiple possible jobs, and quickly throw out anything that sounds like it requires more time to think up.

[HWalsh]

You know, these "high-risk high-reward" tanky jobs that sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves or deliver strong blows?
That literally steals vitality from their foes to survive?
Makes shield out of their foes' blood?
That do ACTUAL DARK STUFF.

Does is speaks to anybody?
Or is that just me? '^'

You do realize that the "Actual" Dark Knight is Cecil from Final Fantasy 4 - Who literally does none of those things.

[MaraD_]

You do realize that the "Actual" Dark Knight is Cecil from Final Fantasy 4 - Who literally does none of those things.

jobs that sacrifices their own HP to ... deliver strong blows?

Fairly sure this one is true about cecil.
The rest is based on other iterations of DRK in either mainline or spinoff titles.