US Servers at 2.0?

**Elexia** · 03-15-2012 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Antipika

And why both couldn't be compatible? We could have NA server and International servers. Then YOU decide which one you want. But then if you notice that the INT server have no JP player on it for example, then maybe it means that while YOU wanted diversity, others did not?

It's nice to say "I want diversity" but what about the rest of the community?

Why do people want to play an international MMO but want to play on "NA/EU servers" only? There's plenty of NA based MMOs out there that excludes everyone but NA/EU players from playing on their servers.

What I don't get is why people think segregating players will suddenly solve all issues, all it'll do is create more issues in the long run. For example NA people tend to run on EST for raids for whatever unholy reason, which means unless you find a PST or CST based shell, it's not like you suddenly have more people to play with, you'll essentially have less people to play with.

In XI and XIV I've actually played with more European, Greek, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese players than I did American players because they tend to want to run at 5pm - 9pm est, times I'm usually at work.

**Raistlin** · 03-15-2012 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jynx

Developers have stated multiple times that the largest latency issues isn't the servers location.

I live in Canary Islands, Spain and i have a 6Mb ADSL

don't tell me is not because they are on japan. Of course servers will improve, but for example i have no chances in pvp vs a Japanese player, and that is unfair.

**Elexia** · 03-15-2012 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Raistlin

don't tell me is not because they are on japan. Of course servers will improve, but for example i have no chances in pvp vs a Japanese player, and that is unfair.

It's not because they're in Japan, this has been debunked by not only players but Square Enix themselves numerous times. It has to do with the poor server equipment and online interface of an unoptimized game. However europe in general has a native problem connecting to even American based online games, so if anything you can say it's because of being in europe region is your problem.

I have zero delay in FFXI, a Japanese based MMORPG when I play from America and even when I was visiting family in Canada and France I still had no delay with that game, so no it's not because it's in Japan, it's because the game is unoptimized and the servers are poor.

It's not like trying to play a Korean only MMO in EU where you need a VPN that's slower than dial-up.

**Majidah** · 03-15-2012 11:44 PM

Have you heard of german or french players ask for localized servers? No? Isn't that interesting?

North Americans aren't the sole players of XIV. There's people from all around the globe playing.

**Signy** · 03-15-2012 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Elexia

It's not because they're in Japan, this has been debunked by not only players but Square Enix themselves numerous times. It has to do with the poor server equipment and online interface of an unoptimized game. However europe in general has a native problem connecting to even American based online games, so if anything you can say it's because of being in europe region is your problem.

I have zero delay in FFXI, a Japanese based MMORPG when I play from America and even when I was visiting family in Canada and France I still had no delay with that game, so no it's not because it's in Japan, it's because the game is unoptimized and the servers are poor.

It's not like trying to play a Korean only MMO in EU where you need a VPN that's slower than dial-up.

Uh? I don't get what you mean with Zero delay. Theres is not such thing in nature that resembles to a "Zero Delay". The faster method of comunitation know to men (practically impossible right now) is using a pair of atoms in the same Quantum State but even with that you have a time to decode/encode.

FFXI suffer of the same problem that XIV and any other mmo server based, that the distance between you and the server add a time between the time you press a bottom and the result shows up on the screen. The other class of mmo are the client based that the client control all the interaction with the world and reports it back to the server. That kind of client feels like a offline game but generally is easily hackable.

Having a US located server will help a lot with the lag that people experience. Even if they improve to the better possible their network/hardware there will be always the time that take the package you sent get to the server.

**Raistlin** · 03-16-2012 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Elexia

However europe in general has a native problem connecting to even American based online games, so if anything you can say it's because of being in europe region is your problem.

I have zero delay in FFXI, a Japanese based MMORPG when I play from America and even when I was visiting family in Canada and France I still had no delay with that game, so no it's not because it's in Japan, it's because the game is unoptimized and the servers are poor.

1: So is my fault living where i am? Then, that Square-Enix don't sell the ffxiv here, if they do it, they have to support my problems.

2: False, you are saying you have 0 delay in FFXI from europe? You could say FFXI dont need a fast response coz PvP there have no sense, and u are used to it. But YoshiP want this game to have a decent PvP system, and 350 ping (Without server calculations) is not a decent response time. You can Blablabal all what you want, i am communications engineer and i know a little about communications delay. Having 12000km and therefore a great number of nodes between point A and B significantly increases the latency

idealizing a lossless connection that links directly my home with Square-Enix, I Still Have 50ms more than a japanese player. Idealizing!

300000 km/s is not as fast when you talk of 12000-15000km away

**Jynx** · 03-16-2012 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Raistlin

but for example i have no chances in pvp vs a Japanese player, and that is unfair.

I play FFXI and had 0 issues in dealing with Japanese players 350ms is what .35 seconds? hell average human reaction time "Physical" is .2 seconds give or take a few milleseconds. How dare they have a game that doesn't react faster than I can!

Ping is deadly important in very few situation in this small increment. a FPS for one that is almost based on "Twitch" reactions one, PVP isn't usually "Twitch" based. I guess you can compound the human reaction time with your ping and have about .6 seconds delay from brain-button-action but even then that can be designed around.

I think it's a poorly perpetuated myth that +300ms is "Terrible" lag hell people have pings higher than that all the time in WoW.

**Jinko** · 03-16-2012 12:32 AM

The lag we are seeing is not network latency, its server processing power issues.

That being said I would still much rather see regional servers, if you few that want to stay on international servers over having fluid and reactive gameplay then do so and continue to play on a JP server, I don't' see why the rest of us should have to suffer for that.

**Raistlin** · 03-16-2012 12:37 AM

I play FFXI and had 0 issues in dealing with Japanese players 350ms is what .35 seconds? hell average human reaction time "Physical" is .2 seconds give or take a few milleseconds. How dare they have a game that doesn't react faster than I can!

if you recive somthing with 350ms ping and u need 200ms to react, you used 550ms (because u CANT react before u get it)
if you recive somthing with 50ms ping and u need 200ms to react, you used 250ms (because u CANT react before u get it)

so dont mix terms, this is not FPS where your eyes cant see more than 30 per second.

And i repeat, dont mix FFXI with this game, YoshiP want a decent PvP system.

**Wirritosama** · 03-16-2012 12:52 AM

I'm with jynx. A major reason I play XI and xiv is for the diverse community.

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