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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Developers have stated multiple times that the largest latency issues isn't the servers location.
    I live in Canary Islands, Spain and i have a 6Mb ADSL



    don't tell me is not because they are on japan. Of course servers will improve, but for example i have no chances in pvp vs a Japanese player, and that is unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    don't tell me is not because they are on japan. Of course servers will improve, but for example i have no chances in pvp vs a Japanese player, and that is unfair.
    It's not because they're in Japan, this has been debunked by not only players but Square Enix themselves numerous times. It has to do with the poor server equipment and online interface of an unoptimized game. However europe in general has a native problem connecting to even American based online games, so if anything you can say it's because of being in europe region is your problem.

    I have zero delay in FFXI, a Japanese based MMORPG when I play from America and even when I was visiting family in Canada and France I still had no delay with that game, so no it's not because it's in Japan, it's because the game is unoptimized and the servers are poor.

    It's not like trying to play a Korean only MMO in EU where you need a VPN that's slower than dial-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    It's not because they're in Japan, this has been debunked by not only players but Square Enix themselves numerous times. It has to do with the poor server equipment and online interface of an unoptimized game. However europe in general has a native problem connecting to even American based online games, so if anything you can say it's because of being in europe region is your problem.

    I have zero delay in FFXI, a Japanese based MMORPG when I play from America and even when I was visiting family in Canada and France I still had no delay with that game, so no it's not because it's in Japan, it's because the game is unoptimized and the servers are poor.

    It's not like trying to play a Korean only MMO in EU where you need a VPN that's slower than dial-up.
    Uh? I don't get what you mean with Zero delay. Theres is not such thing in nature that resembles to a "Zero Delay". The faster method of comunitation know to men (practically impossible right now) is using a pair of atoms in the same Quantum State but even with that you have a time to decode/encode.

    FFXI suffer of the same problem that XIV and any other mmo server based, that the distance between you and the server add a time between the time you press a bottom and the result shows up on the screen. The other class of mmo are the client based that the client control all the interaction with the world and reports it back to the server. That kind of client feels like a offline game but generally is easily hackable.

    Having a US located server will help a lot with the lag that people experience. Even if they improve to the better possible their network/hardware there will be always the time that take the package you sent get to the server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Signy View Post
    Uh? I don't get what you mean with Zero delay. Theres is not such thing in nature that resembles to a "Zero Delay".
    "Zero delay" means my gameplay doesn't suffer like it does with FFXIV (eruption as a popular example), so again it's not the server location.

    So if the server location is the problem, why is it that when I trio-box 3 characters and I say make a WHM character cast Cure VI it pops up at the same time on all screens? When a monster readies an attack move it's displayed instantaneously on all screens? Comparing FFXI to FFXIV you would certainly say it's a problem with FFXIV's architecture, a problem Square themselves stated is the cause.

    Regional servers will not fix anything, even playing Rift I've had more lag with that game than I did with any Korean/Chinese/Japanese based MMO that allowed US connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    However europe in general has a native problem connecting to even American based online games, so if anything you can say it's because of being in europe region is your problem.

    I have zero delay in FFXI, a Japanese based MMORPG when I play from America and even when I was visiting family in Canada and France I still had no delay with that game, so no it's not because it's in Japan, it's because the game is unoptimized and the servers are poor.
    1: So is my fault living where i am? Then, that Square-Enix don't sell the ffxiv here, if they do it, they have to support my problems.

    2: False, you are saying you have 0 delay in FFXI from europe? You could say FFXI dont need a fast response coz PvP there have no sense, and u are used to it. But YoshiP want this game to have a decent PvP system, and 350 ping (Without server calculations) is not a decent response time. You can Blablabal all what you want, i am communications engineer and i know a little about communications delay. Having 12000km and therefore a great number of nodes between point A and B significantly increases the latency


    idealizing a lossless connection that links directly my home with Square-Enix, I Still Have 50ms more than a japanese player. Idealizing!

    300000 km/s is not as fast when you talk of 12000-15000km away
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    but for example i have no chances in pvp vs a Japanese player, and that is unfair.
    I play FFXI and had 0 issues in dealing with Japanese players 350ms is what .35 seconds? hell average human reaction time "Physical" is .2 seconds give or take a few milleseconds. How dare they have a game that doesn't react faster than I can!

    Ping is deadly important in very few situation in this small increment. a FPS for one that is almost based on "Twitch" reactions one, PVP isn't usually "Twitch" based. I guess you can compound the human reaction time with your ping and have about .6 seconds delay from brain-button-action but even then that can be designed around.

    I think it's a poorly perpetuated myth that +300ms is "Terrible" lag hell people have pings higher than that all the time in WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    I live in Canary Islands, Spain and i have a 6Mb ADSL



    don't tell me is not because they are on japan. Of course servers will improve, but for example i have no chances in pvp vs a Japanese player, and that is unfair.
    I've seen this argument brought up so many times now. Always countered by Americans basically saying "I had almost no delay in FFXI so it must've been the same for EU!"
    When SE community reps asked players to post their ping tests to SE servers we clearly saw the average EU ping time was 150ms higher than NA. So more or less 0.3 additional delay.
    How about you try to actually play it from EU then we'll see what you truly think..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Either way I'm against encouraging people to sequester themselves into NA / EU / JP servers. I play a MMO to play with people around the world. I play at odd hours for a "NA" player and enjoy being able to find people at any givin time of day.
    I second that. I enjoy playing with Japanese and EU players. I have never had problems with people in either group. I'd hate it if SE made severs local specific.
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    So much SE nut hugging going on in this thread it is disgusting. Not having the a choice to play with people in your own time zone is ridiculous. It shouldn't be a crapshoot when a new player picks a server as to whether or not the majority of the populace is NA/EU/JP. This is the perfect way to turn away a customer after the free month of play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Developers have stated multiple times that the largest latency issues isn't the servers location.

    Either way I'm against encouraging people to sequester themselves into NA / EU / JP servers. I play a MMO to play with people around the world. I play at odd hours for a "NA" player and enjoy being able to find people at any givin time of day.

    I'd be all for the "Give em a choice of local or global" servers but it would probably just spiral into everyone cloistering themselves in the regional servers.
    Regardless if they say that or not we will be looking a 200+ ping from Japan. The making of challenging fights with lots of mechanics is much more difficult to do with a ping like that. I don't quite know where you get your information from.
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