Skillspeed/Spellspeed the new META?

[galbsadi]

With all the 5.0 changes, i'm finding Skillspeed/Spellspeed materia better than the usual Crit/Det/Direct hit o.o. Even the MB Agrees lol. Just check the Tier 8 Materia Prices xD. Is this the new META?

False.

Across my DC, right now:

Quickarm VIII - Cheapest is 49,856
Quicktongue VIII - Cheapest is 25,000

For your statement to be true, at least one other should be cheaper, yes?

Savage Aim VIII - 75,000
Savage Might VIII - 69,999
Heaven's Eye VIII - 80,000

All of them are more expensive. For funsies:

Battledance VIII - 20,000
Piety VIII - 15,000

So, if anything, it only suggests that skillspeed/spellspeed is better than tenacity/piety. (Of course, if you're a healer, that's pretty blatantly false, as piety potentially has value up to a comfort point, whereas spellspeed is worse than pretty much everything else in the slot.)

[VitalSuit]

This wasn't always true. More skill speed created TP problems in the past.

It also flat out made MCH worse if they got past a certain GCD in SB.

[Caitsithhh]

http://theoryjerks.akhmorning.com/
Plug in your desired number or the number you can achieve on any gear set currently and it will show you the multiplier you get. Currently, ‘Dh’ has a better multiplier than ‘Det’ but only by the smallest of margins. AND I MEAN small.

TLDR: blm/sam are crit/ss
Everyone else(dmg multiplier) crit/dh

If you can stack a great more of DH than DET on your current gear then stack DH as secondary. If you can stack more DET than DH then do that. The multiplier is only slightly better with DH.
Example: 2500 Det=1.085 damage multiplier
2500 DH=1.088 damage multiplier

[Inuk9]

Every job has a Skill/spell speed optimal cap that can vary with some factors (like personal playstyle or ping)

Besides this cap the meta will never be those stats, they are only to fulfill a certain GCD time, just like Stormblood.

I am curious about the guy who said he put a lot sks in his samurai and outperformed because as far as I know you can be out of TP pretty quickly depending on the fight. Unless you have goads and TP from a ranged in your group just for you, but in pugs, I wouldn`t count on people goating me.

[Metalwrath]

Every job has a Skill/spell speed optimal cap that can vary with some factors (like personal playstyle or ping)

Besides this cap the meta will never be those stats, they are only to fulfill a certain GCD time, just like Stormblood.

I am curious about the guy who said he put a lot sks in his samurai and outperformed because as far as I know you can be out of TP pretty quickly depending on the fight. Unless you have goads and TP from a ranged in your group just for you, but in pugs, I wouldn`t count on people goating me.

Mid to end of Stormblood high skill speed on dragoon was the superior build marginaly out dpsing the high crit builds.
Given that very little has changed about dragoon in 5.0 high skill speed on dragoon still seems quite good especially with not having to worry about keeping heavy thrust up in between combo rotations and the fact its now built int one of your combos.

[Barraind]

Speed is about as important as it has been.

You want enough to get to a specific GCD range and then its pointless.

And being the first tier of an expansion, you need more sources of it than you will at the end, excepting those one or two classes who really really want it.

For most classes, if it doesnt give you an extra gcd in a burst window, its overlookable.

[Arthrun]

I have a question then. As a tank should I even bother with skill speed? not exactly loosing threat, but could up my dps. I am pretty sure tenacity rules all though

[HyoMinPark]

since the GCD is horrible in FF XIV, everything that reduces it is desirable.

This isn't true for any job that has to double weave.

@OP - Skill Speed/Spell Speed are only desireable for certain jobs. Others still avoid it like the plague because it causes issues with clipping, especially at higher latencies (NIN, MCH, DNC).

[Bonbori]

I have a question then. As a tank should I even bother with skill speed? not exactly loosing threat, but could up my dps. I am pretty sure tenacity rules all though

I'm quite sure Tenacity is still as bad as it's always been. It should be avoided if you can help it. At least I don't think it's officially been changed in any way.
As for what to meld, I'm not sure about other tanks but I know that for Gunbreaker Direct Hit is currently the only stat worth melding. Tanks don't have it on any of their gear so they don't get direct hits very often, but there's enough materia slots that if you fill all of them with DH it will make a world of difference.

From what I understand the only exception to that is Warrior who, like Machinist, has the ability to guarantee direct criticals so the value of DH is drastically diminished for them. However, Crit is still good because it still adds to the damage of automatic criticals.

[ForteNightshade]

Not really? Ninja and Machinist want to avoid Skill Speed completely; Dancer and Bard aren't big fans of it though either; Dragoon and Monk have Skill Speed builds but they're rarely popular. That lefts Samurai, who doesn't really care one way or another. On the Spell Speed side, I wager Red Mage wants to avoid it like a plague. They already have MP issues.