Crossover events and breaking immersion

[Vahlnir]

I don't feel this way at all about the Nier crossover, though; it feels like a synthesis between FFXIV and Nier, rather than a clumsy grafting of the latter onto the former.

It helps that the true ending for Nier: Automata made it a bit more plausible.

[Shurrikhan]

*drives up in FF15 car in full frog suit*

This new Nier crap is breaking my immersion. Not like that Ivalice event.

To be fair, people complained the heck out of both the Fenrir bike and XV's Regalia.

And at least the Ivalice event tied into a globetrotting expansion of trying to discover the extent of the Garlean empire's reach and unite other powers in avenging themselves against said empire. In that sense, it was just one more land, albeit one without an actual zone (though we could say the same for HW 24-mans which nonetheless fit right in, or the World of Darkness raid back in ARR) wherein to discover the empire's wrongdoings and find secrets and potential allies. Par for the course.

[Valic]

We're in a world literally called final FANTASY, meaning dreams and ideas beyond reality and comprehension are plausible in a universe where magic, monsters, and story are the most centralized theme. Why do people get so upset when the devs do such a great job at implementing crossovers into this game while still maintaining a semblance of immersion and lore acceptability? Take the MHW event crossover, that was fun as heck both MHW side(and still is) and it's fun over here... Lore-wise they both fit the criteria enough to be reasonable and not "immersion destroying". Same with the FF15 crossover, the writing may be a lil half assed sometimes but it still fits/works? We see beings from alternate dimensions almost as if it's a daily routine at this point, why is one other thing happening somehow now considered "oh no, this one is just unplayable" lol.

I'm with you there. It's always weird to see the car from Final Fantasy 15 as a mount. Like, why is that the only instance of a car in the game? The Monster Hunter themed dungeon was ok to me. If I didn't know better, I probably would've never guessed.

Like to add to this one for a second.... If we look back to every other FF, there are "cars" in those games. There's also magitek gorillas, literally fking robots, and so on. IIRC, even the char dialogue is something along the lines of "what's a car?". Something I tend to realize in this game and others that act akin to it... There is such an idea as seeing something unusual in the universe just as we would IRL. Being a someone in FFXIV and seeing a "Car" without ever seeing one before, knowing what one is, or etc... Shouldn't it border more on the line of "must be some new fancy magitek" or "I've never seen such a thing before" or "this place is always coming out with something new"? Idk, I don't mind the cars and such when magitek and robots are already almost everywhere or explained as an allag invention. If anything, I only realize in universe we're starting to develop reasonable technological advances and prioritize development when we see something beneficial to the future of Eorzea etc etc (I sound like I'm RP'ing here at this point). Point being... It doesn't bother me unless it's truly bizarre or explainable, or illogical. A carriage with wheels that looks long, sleek, and runs off aether/magic/electricity/steam/whateverthehellyouwannacallit.... Isn't all that immersion breaking in a universe where we have tons of that as is molded into different concepts. Now... Take Tera for example and it adding a police car in a world where no one should know wtf a police car is or red/blue lights etc.... Yeah no, that was added no explanation for lore and makes no sense.

TL;DR: If your immersion breaks upon seeing a machine that has wheels and chairs, Magitek must be friggin APPALLING then every time you've come across it in the MSQ. Again, we live in a grand universe of magic and fantasy, embrace the ideas and the fact they even have lore to explain their existence in the world whereas most mmo's will shove them in without any care/explanation because "LULZ IT LOOKS FUNNY".

[monk-dps]

We're in a world literally called final FANTASY, meaning dreams and ideas beyond reality and comprehension are plausible in a universe where magic, monsters, and story are the most centralized theme. Why do people get so upset when the devs do such a great job at implementing crossovers into this game while still maintaining a semblance of immersion and lore acceptability? Take the MHW event crossover, that was fun as heck both MHW side(and still is) and it's fun over here... Lore-wise they both fit the criteria enough to be reasonable and not "immersion destroying". Same with the FF15 crossover, the writing may be a lil half assed sometimes but it still fits/works? We see beings from alternate dimensions almost as if it's a daily routine at this point, why is one other thing happening somehow now considered "oh no, this one is just unplayable" lol.

I dunno man. Like we just fought an alien killer robot that had the power to bring other things from other unisveres and whatnot. Literally a sonic boss in some aspects. A car or a bike is such small things compared to a boss who has the power to bring whatever he wants to life.. and came from outter space like he was a reject from mega man 8. >.>

[Valic]

I dunno man. Like we just fought an alien killer robot that had the power to bring other things from other unisveres and whatnot. Literally a sonic boss in some aspects. A car or a bike is such small things compared to a boss who has the power to bring whatever he wants to life.. and came from outter space like he was a reject from mega man 8. >.>

Which boss we talking about here exactly? Neir?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Which boss we talking about here exactly? Neir?

That'd be Omega.

[Valic]

That'd be Omega.

Oh, you mean the allagan created sentinel designed to oppress entities such as primals or giant dragons that grew out of the allagan's reach of control to bind/destroy? It's almost as if an ancient society based on technological advances and study of aether developed a mechanism to traverse the boundaries of time and space in an attempt to better understand their own kind, other worlds, and better themselves to preserve their race/knowledge. Can't imagine a dragon that can travel beyond stars and dimensions(Midgardsomr) that's so powerful it threatened existence to said race and forced their hand to use Omega to track it down and neutralize it.

I'm paraphrasing immensely here because I actually didn't enjoy Omega as a raid until Alphascape 2.0 where it actually used our game's lore rather than just feeding fan service bosses and using the writing as a scapegoat(again, another case where the writing may be crap, but it still works?). Regardless, you get the point here... It's not that SIRfarfetch'd enough that a race eons ago created something to develop their knowledge beyond their star/universe to both protect them and advance their technology. If there's anything I did admire out of Omega, it was not only the tale about Omega tracking down Middy, but the fact it kinda ties the other FF's together with his existence into this game.... Where, again, multiple universes exist with magic, mechas, and so on.

I don't believe he actually had power to bring anything to life. We fought inside an area of his creation using data it's collected over generation and dimensions. It uses that data to simulate pain and the ideas of life that was programmed for it to understand. It also used that data to invent concepts/ideas of the bosses we fought by using stories and etc to develop how they may or may not act and what powers/potential they would be capable of. Considering we have white mages in the past bringing about golems and reanimating structures, as well as earth monsters and mammets.... I can only imagine it's not that far off a machine that has learned to adapt and evolve has learned a basic fundamental understanding of how aether in our world works, comprises our bodies/forms, and how to manipulate it enough to create what he is capable of creating(which is basically anything minus a soul, which is why Alpha is such an outstanding character in that plot line as it somehow developed a soul whereas Omega and all its creations had none).

TL;DR: Flying magitek robot can create phony objects that can walk, talk, act, and pretend to be a thing, but like itself, they will never truly be give "life". And as far as coming from outer space, no it's come from farther places than just there my friend and reasonably so.

EDIT: Strike the majority of that tbh, I'm a moron and forgot the whole story apparently and its 3 am for me lol. Point still stands though.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Oh, you mean the allagan created sentinel designed to oppress entities such as primals or giant dragons that grew out of the allagan's reach of control to bind/destroy? It's almost as if an ancient society based on technological advances and study of aether developed a mechanism to traverse the boundaries of time and space in an attempt to better understand their own kind, other worlds, and better themselves to preserve their race/knowledge. Can't imagine a dragon that can travel beyond stars and dimensions(Midgardsomr) that's so powerful it threatened existence to said race and forced their hand to use Omega to track it down and neutralize it.

I'm paraphrasing immensely here because I actually didn't enjoy Omega as a rid until 2.0+ where it actually used our game's lore rather than just feeding fan service bosses and using the writing as a scapegoat(again, another case where the writing may be crap, but it still works?). Regardless, you get the point here... It's not that SIRfarfetch'd enough that a race eons ago created something to develop their knowledge beyond their star/universe to both protect them and advance their technology. If there's anything I did admire out of Omega, it was not only the tale about Omega tracking down Middy, but the fact it kinda ties the other FF's together with his existence into this game.... Where, again, multiple universes exist with magic, mechas, and so on.

Omega is not an Allagan creation, they (as far as we know) never went past orbit, and they never figured out time travel (that's Alexander's thing, and he came about long after Allag fell). The Allagans lost track of "bettering themselves" long before their fall when they fell into rampant hedonism and abused their technology in increasingly horrific ways. Midgardsormr had no known interactions with the Allagans at all, and they did not send Omega to track him anywhere; nor would they have to send Omega beyond the stars, since both Middy and Omega were already on Hydaelyn before the Allagan Empire ever arose. Midgardsormr never "threatened existence", he fell here as a refugee after Omega wiped out his planet.

Please rewatch the cut scenes for the Omega raid before you try to use them as a talking point.

[monk-dps]

Oh, you mean the allagan created sentinel designed to oppress entities such as primals or giant dragons that grew out of the allagan's reach of control to bind/destroy? It's almost as if an ancient society based on technological advances and study of aether developed a mechanism to traverse the boundaries of time and space in an attempt to better understand their own kind, other worlds, and better themselves to preserve their race/knowledge. Can't imagine a dragon that can travel beyond stars and dimensions(Midgardsomr) that's so powerful it threatened existence to said race and forced their hand to use Omega to track it down and neutralize it.

You actually help my point tho. This is in XIV's lore, He is literally the plot to Sonic Battle. Where an ancient race created a being of insane power for whatever purposes that came to life to search for his own meaning to life. Literally sonic battle or any sicfi plot since the dawn of time. When you look at it that way I don't see how people complain about a car not fitting when omega is literally one of the basics of all sicfi plots accross many stories and games.. one being mega man or Sonic the hedgehog. I bring those up cause putting those two games next to XIV looks insane. But what do you know.. XIV is using the same plots as those two games did and many more before it. I'm just saying it's not that far off when you step back and see everything for what it is. It just feels like people look at XIV and think - IT'S OLD ENGLISH TIMES- when it's really not... it's not even set on earth for that to make sense. I shorten the qoute cause this forum sucks.

[purgatori]

It helps that the true ending for Nier: Automata made it a bit more plausible.

Care to elaborate?