Crossover events and breaking immersion

[Valic]

Would you be fine with such a raid if it was something you did not like?

There ain't much I don't like tbh... I guess I just like the game and its ideas?

Midargardsomr is not NieR, and is the only thing I mentioned as part of XIV's story, so... where is that strawman coming from?. "Even if I'd have preferred Yoko Taro work his magic on an actual XIV plotline" does not state that he already created any part of XIV story. The only connection I spitballed, no where near the post you replied to even, was the Light Waste, which likewise did not exist prior to ShB.


...Of all the examples, you choose that one? A dragon (established species) in the Azim Steppe (an established location) presented through a hunt board (an established means) to present a fight in a near-copy of the first boss area (an established fight) and includes aldegoat charges (an established mechanic), as an example of how a crossover does not benefit from connecting itself to the game through the whatever the game already have? They clearly thought differently, even if only to save costs at the time.

Tbh, I think I gave up on this thread a while back. The people who dont like what we got are gonna stay stubborn to it. I enjoyed both the Neir raid and the MHW crossover... They fit fine, they're told well enough, and they're fun. Personally, I don't need much more than that... But I'm also a believer that life is too short to get upset over how a scantily dressed android woman can be apart of a series where we have silly talking fish and dimensional crossover left and right.

I guess all I'm saying here is... Go ahead and dislike it? It's only doing yourself in to choose to see it in a bad light. I don't see them changing anything about it and I find a lot of people enjoy the crossover thus far... I personally love that they're implementing these ideas and taking advantage of them, because I have never seen content manage to successfully pull off these sorta things in an mmo. If I ever am skeptical of anything they put in, I usually get over it when I realize how much effort was put into it all. Yokai watch included, not a fan of it at all... but eh.... could be worse things and it's semi-enjoyable, and its not even canon so /shrug.

[Iscah]

...and its not even canon so /shrug.

Whether or not it's canon is yet to be seen.

It's a crossover with another franchise, which so far have not been canon outside of their isolated, usually-temporary quests.

But it's also an alliance raid, which so far have been canon to and provided additional information about the wider FFXIV setting (Allag, the Crystal Tower, Mhach, Goug as the predecessors of the Garlean race, more details about how auracite works) as a permanent and integrated part of the wider story. They are part of "the canon version" of what our character has achieved, when referenced by static sources outside of the game such as the lorebook and side stories.

So, is NieR automatically "not canon" because it's a crossover, or is it canon because it's an alliance raid? We don't know yet... and some of us are wary of that.

[linay]

So, is NieR automatically "not canon" because it's a crossover, or is it canon because it's an alliance raid? We don't know yet... and some of us are wary of that.

Nier is not canon, but Yorha is. Just like FFT/FF12 is not canon, but Ivalice is, or FF3 is not canon, but Crystal Tower is, etc.

[Gula]

Nier is not canon, but Yorha is. Just like FFT/FF12 is not canon, but Ivalice is, or FF3 is not canon, but Crystal Tower is, etc.

That has yet to be seen though. This is Yoko Taro we're dealing with. He would absolutely be the type to make it so, and we wont know until he confirms or denies it.

[linay]

That has yet to be seen though. This is Yoko Taro we're dealing with. He would absolutely be the type to make it so, and we wont know until he confirms or denies it.

What has yet to be seen and what won't we know until Yoko Taro confirms it?

He (along with the other guy) may be in charge of making Yorha, but I don't think he's in charge of whether or not Yorha or Nier or both are canon to FFXIV. That said, he (along with the other guy) may be in charge of whether or not Yorha is canon to Nier, and that's up to him (or them).

[Gula]

What has yet to be seen and what won't we know until Yoko Taro confirms it?

He (along with the other guy) may be in charge of making Yorha, but I don't think he's in charge of whether or not Yorha or Nier or both are canon to FFXIV. That said, he (along with the other guy) may be in charge of whether or not Yorha is canon to Nier, and that's up to him (or them).

What other guy? Saito? The Executive Producer for NieR, cause that's who he is.

Yoshi P was the one who contacted them for the collaboration. He knew what he was getting into, and if Yoko Taro says, "This is now canon to NieR" then that means its universe and XIV are intertwined. And this would not be the first time we've had dimension crossing robots causing a ruckus.

You're in for a wild ride in the coming months.

[linay]

if Yoko Taro says, "This is now canon to NieR" then that means its universe and XIV are intertwined.

Sure, but only intertwined as far as Nier is concerned (assuming Nier's creator wants it so). As far as FFXIV is concerned, only what's addressed in the Yorha's story has to be canon. The Nier background can be canon or not. It can still be canon, but not necessarily so.

[Iscah]

Yoshi P was the one who contacted them for the collaboration. He knew what he was getting into...

Yes, Yoshida was the one who invited them to collaborate.

My question is what Banri Oda (and the FFXIV story writing team) thinks of this, and what it's doing to his plans for the world-lore...

[Valic]

Whether or not it's canon is yet to be seen.

It's a crossover with another franchise, which so far have not been canon outside of their isolated, usually-temporary quests.

But it's also an alliance raid, which so far have been canon to and provided additional information about the wider FFXIV setting (Allag, the Crystal Tower, Mhach, Goug as the predecessors of the Garlean race, more details about how auracite works) as a permanent and integrated part of the wider story. They are part of "the canon version" of what our character has achieved, when referenced by static sources outside of the game such as the lorebook and side stories.

So, is NieR automatically "not canon" because it's a crossover, or is it canon because it's an alliance raid? We don't know yet... and some of us are wary of that.

You misunderstand me. Yokai isn't canon. Neir though is as far as I'm aware from what they said.