Crossover events and breaking immersion

[Alleo]

I am fine with short events because we already have so much silly stuff in the game that a few more mounts and pets dont make a difference..I am 100% not a fan of all these fanservice raids, especially the new Nier one..that is imo another whole level of immersion breaking..

Imagine if they did a pokemon raid or something like that. I really wish that these big raids would be unique new stuff..the game is already fanservice enough but seemingly even just three expansions in we already need outside content for that..feels like they are out of ideas already.

[File2ish]

I am fine with short events because we already have so much silly stuff in the game that a few more mounts and pets dont make a difference..I am 100% not a fan of all these fanservice raids, especially the new Nier one..that is imo another whole level of immersion breaking..

Imagine if they did a pokemon raid or something like that. I really wish that these big raids would be unique new stuff..the game is already fanservice enough but seemingly even just three expansions in we already need outside content for that..feels like they are out of ideas already.

To me, due to the history, lore, magic, and technology presented to us in the realms from the Allagans (Ultima Weapon, Omega, Crystal Tower), Mhach (Void Ark), etc., and whatever advanced societies may have been consumed by light in Norvrandt (Eden). And technically they've done everything within the realm of possibility given the FF universe's brands of magic and technology (because these "fanservice raids" are just a small chunk of all the fanservice presented to us throughout the entire game since 2.0).

The more permanent additions, like the aforementioned fanservice raids, with ties to past games or other franchises have been more or less changed and/or repurposed to fit into the game's lore so I'm not sure why it's breaking your immersion. We have Crystal Tower from 2.XX, which is from FF3, pulls a lot of lore from 3 and mixes it with Allagan. Eureka is from FF3 as well, and Hydaelyn's version has ties to XI as far as I can tell (i didn't do much Eureka in SB, but Absolute Virtue is in there :P). Ivalice/Dalmasca is direct references made into a nation/region by the name and is resisting the Garleans with an FFXII style (and names/characters being pulled from the Ivalice games), with much of the old lore of the region being heavily inspired/taken from FTT. Eden taken from FF8, but apart from the direct references to 8 the quests have been in line with Norvrandt's history as far as we know (flood of light and what have you).

Nier Automata stuff is admittedly hard to justify though, unless Yoko Taro is seriously making it canon to the Nier/Drakengard lore. But at the same time it can be chucked in with the "we don't know Norvrandt's history/tech" pile since Eden is a thing.

For me they tie in these things well enough that it fits the universe they created, even if there may be some holes here and there.

[Alleo]

The more permanent additions, like the aforementioned fanservice raids, with ties to past games or other franchises have been more or less changed and/or repurposed to fit into the game's lore so I'm not sure why it's breaking your immersion. We have Crystal Tower from 2.XX, which is from FF3, pulls a lot of lore from 3 and mixes it with Allagan. Eureka is from FF3 as well, and Hydaelyn's version has ties to XI as far as I can tell (i didn't do much Eureka in SB, but Absolute Virtue is in there :P).

Yes raids like the crystal tower are fine because they are made to fit into the world and do tell their own stories. Ivalice was already on the edge for me because it was imo too much retelling and not much new stuff. Omega was even worse because it was just a tournament with pure fanservice bosses that they even did not explain at all.

Nier is from a whole different franchise (and company) with its own style. IMO right now it does not fit at all. Its like bringing pokemon in this. They could try and explain to us that they are from another dimension (like most of it is..) but it still make it jarring for me.

I have no problems to callbacks like Biggs and Wedge. Or even if the primals like Garuda are from other games because they at least look different and have their own unique story in this. (Just like with chocobos and moogles) But using bosses from other games without changing them at least a bit is just bad imo.

[Valic]

Yes raids like the crystal tower are fine because they are made to fit into the world and do tell their own stories. Ivalice was already on the edge for me because it was imo too much retelling and not much new stuff. Omega was even worse because it was just a tournament with pure fanservice bosses that they even did not explain at all.

Nier is from a whole different franchise (and company) with its own style. IMO right now it does not fit at all. Its like bringing pokemon in this. They could try and explain to us that they are from another dimension (like most of it is..) but it still make it jarring for me.

Incorrect, they did explain it. While I am with you on it being fan service bosses, Omega traveled across stars and dimensions and has been around for eons to listen to stories of powerful wizards and entities that should've ended the world and their tale's hero. He uses them specifically to gauge how strong the WoL is and how those heroes from those dimensions defeated their "big bad guy". He literally says he collected the information off it all and bases every fight off that information.

As for your problem with Neir, the most I can say is "get over it" because tbh... I've never played Neir and I feel like all of this feels just fine integrating into the game. Not only that but like the other comment, they haven't explained anything yet, so its kinda jumping the gun. We have mammets and magitek humanoids, mutants, so on.... It's not illogical to see mechanisms and humanoid looking robots in this game when we already see them plenty. I almost wanna say the only reason its distracting is if you know/played the games enough to relate it over the FFXIV setting. Personally I see the WoL looking at this thing like its the most alien thing he's seen yet, top it off we're already on another star that has lalafells being called dwarves.




Also, to anyone complaining about the Regula from FFXV still. I made you this.


Once they slap on monster faces or call it a mutant or something along the lines of fantasy, no one cries about it breaking their fantasy game. But a carriage with wheels in a world of magic and magitek engineering, FORBIDDEN. Ok. Ignore the mutant car/motorcycle because it's "a monster made from mutant science experimentation and fits in the lore" but stare in awe and cry at the "mechanical device that can transport people by using elementary functioinality such as wheels, friction, and a common motor just like most magitek devices do as is" AND HOW THIS TOTALLY DOESN'T BELONG AT ALL, YEAP. It's just that jarring clearly... Or perhaps you're just relating the other series over FFXIV far too much. I played FFV a bit, but as I did the event for the car, it was just me in the FFXIV world seeing a weird stranger bring weird things here that I had to kill and Cid happen to find a way to make the car he fixed up for the lad because he's literally a magitek engineer.

[Gula]

Big snip.

Since you brought up not playing Nier.

NieR Gestalt/Replicant in terms of aesthetics would fit entirely within the realm of XIV. Earth had it's own Calamity as it were, and the villages you visit could be added as in game zones, and no one would so much as blink outside of the a special zone which, well, we actually got a similar treatment with Shadowbringers.

Automata is the same universe, same continuation of story. It just so happens to be set thousands of years in the future. If anything, aesthetically, it's only the YoRHa stuff that clashes for modernism, even in its own game. Forest Kingdom, Amusement Park, Desert Ruins, all things that really wouldn't be that different from things we have already seen on Novrant actually. Amusement Park leaning more on Crystarium architecture choices.

It's a Yoko Taro story. We're getting thrown in at the deep end with no explanation for the first act; the second act will have some shocking twist or horrible revelation; and the third will have all the info to actually make sense of things (ish).

Let's not forget the three Drama CDs, manga, five novellas and orchestra concert only dialog readings.

[Brightmore]

Crossover events is more like an add to try and bring players to consume other games or a brand.
"Hey check it out a fight with Behemoth in another set up!"
"Whoa, just imagine how Garuda fight is in another battle system!"
It's a fishing tackle. You get a reward and a suggestion of something from tv show, game or food.
The immersion break can be triggered by anything.
Like peeps said, from certain glamours to mounts or events.
Mine was the absence of the new races counter parts. My fault to expect it, but still, the Eorzea that I dive into was equality and justice and that was ripped and made me be less immersive and playing less.

[monk-dps]

No fun allowed indeed. It's a video game. Live life and press buttons, it's NOT this serious. If it was then half the jobs we have don't fit either. But noone is saying THAT are they.

[KatieConnr]

I do not think the car is too far fetched. Yes it seems a bit out of place, however.......I am sure Cid would have designed something soon enough. (thats how i tell myself it belongs here)

[monk-dps]

I do not think the car is too far fetched. Yes it seems a bit out of place, however.......I am sure Cid would have designed something soon enough. (thats how i tell myself it belongs here)

To be fair... we just fought an alien mech warrior from the far reaches of space. That and we have tvs, and floating screens that look like they were stolen from star trex. I think a car fits in prefectly and is pretty low tech all things around.