Crossover events and breaking immersion

[Lersayil]

Which, again, would mean something if and only if XIV was an additional ending to NieR, not the other way around. XIV isn't the it'll-be-explained-by-one-of-these-endings-someday game. I like that about NieR, but that's just not XIV, and it's being added to XIV. It therefore deserves more than just an implication that the lack of connecting content will eventually turn into some big twist. Given how rarely our implicit promises pay off, and how little creative depth this game typically affords any particular range of content, this game is the among the worst possible settings to rely on that.

Not sure what you mean. I explicitly stated that I am not judging the nier story integration until the 3rd raid is out. I just pointed out that there is precedent on both sides for multiple dimensions and hopping between them, so the crossover doesn't contradict either worlds rules.

I fully expect that we will get a... mostly acceptable explanation what the Nier stuff is doing on the First by the end of the third raid. We had some truly wild speculations between the other alliance raid parts too, trying to extrapolate where the story is heading. I don't see how thats any different, or why you expect an explanation after the first entry in the series.

[TheMightyMollusk]

It's a Yoko Taro story. We're getting thrown in at the deep end with no explanation for the first act; the second act will have some shocking twist or horrible revelation; and the third will have all the info to actually make sense of things (ish).

[Omymy]

Crossover breaks your immersion in a game where tanks wears bikinis and slim lizards uses swords even bigger than their bodies.

Mhm.

[RyuSaarva]

Crossover breaks your immersion in a game where tanks wears bikinis and slim lizards uses swords even bigger than their bodies.

Mhm.

actually my immersion breaks when tank gets hit and won't die, let's just turn this into a one hit kill game and create a block system.

[MikkoAkure]

I don't mind crossovers per se. I just dislike shoddy connections.

The Ivalice raid series being thrown in the game already broke canon. Due to the timelines and locations not matching up, they had to say that Dalmasca was actually taken over later than what three lore book says and they moved city to a different continent and had to say it was actually “Nhalmasque” they were talking about.

Not much in this game is planned out from the very beginning and a lot of what you mentioned are retroactively welded to the canon. In Tanaka’s 1.0, the Allagans were snail-eating onion knights who built long-lasting brick roads and were famous for adventurers. Porting FF3 into the game changed that.

In 1.0, there was no talk at all about shards and the void was just a bad place of negative energy. They just retconned it later on in Heavensward to be a shard.

In 1.0, there was no Amdapor or Mhach. Which confuses the timelines since they had dunesfolk lalafell, which in 1.0 originate from a desert island south of Eorzea and moved to Thanalan because it reminded them of home. The whole newer ARR thing with the ages has already confused things a bit since in 1.0, it was common knowledge that the elezen were in Eorzea first and the hyur invaded after. So how do we know that but also be living on top of ruined civilizations we barely know anything about? I thought that may have been a retcon, yet that whole scenario remains on the First where there were no calamities.

This whole game is being written by the seat of their pants. There isn’t much of a master plan and everything is being connected after the fact. Yoshi even admitted as such in one of the interviews ahead of ShB. In 4 years time, it’s possible that something to do with the NieR raid connects to a new expansion. Just give it time.

[Omymy]

actually my immersion breaks when tank gets hit and won't die, let's just turn this into a one hit kill game and create a block system.

Tankbusters actually can kill if you dont manage the CD properly.

You tried, man, you tried....

[Avidria]

Tankbusters actually can kill if you dont manage the CD properly.

You tried, man, you tried....

My group's Blu tanks certainly got one shot enough times fighting Diabalos yesterday :P

[TheMightyMollusk]

He's already said that it's canon to Automata, but how that pertains to FFXIV, we won't know for sure until 5.5.

Of course, setting it on the First (which, let's face it, we probably won't be returning to very often once the story there is done) means it probably won't have much for repercussions on the Source, so....

[DBriggs304]

2019 BB....

[BaconBits]

Keep Yoko Taro's stank away from 14 please. I'd rather not see yet another alliance raid series with an ending more flaccid than Stormblood's thank you very much.