Crossover events and breaking immersion

[File2ish]

I assume you're referring to me, since I mentioned the Regalia? I actually never said that it broke immersion: I said that the aesthetic did not fit with the rest of the game. This is just my subjective opinion, of course, but one which I feel entitled to hold. And I certainly never said anything that could be construed as it being THE thing which is out of keeping with the rest of the game's aesthetic. There are plenty of things that fall into category, in my opinion; but I wanted to allude to the fact that my threshold for aesthetic deviation is quite low, and that is why I made mention of my often running around in artefact gear rather than more novel/unusual attire.

Your argument is, loosely speaking, sound, so I don't know why you feel the need to erect straw men like these in order to support it.

My apologies for misrepresenting what you said. I was going off day(s) old memory and quickly writing the post. It would have been prudent of me to go back and rereading your post before ranting as I did. That is basically what it boiled down to now that I look at it again, and I'm ashamed that I even wrote it as it is.

But it is the gist of my opinions on those subjects at the very least. A frustrating night at work colored my words and led me to hastily scrap together the post just to post it. Apologies for that as well.

I'll be more on top of getting information correct in the future before hitting post. I'm usually better about it.

[purgatori]

My apologies for misrepresenting what you said. I was going off day(s) old memory and quickly writing the post. It would have been prudent of me to go back and rereading your post before ranting as I did. That is basically what it boiled down to now that I look at it again, and I'm ashamed that I even wrote it as it is.

But it is the gist of my opinions on those subjects at the very least. A frustrating night at work colored my words and led me to hastily scrap together the post just to post it. Apologies for that as well.

I'll be more on top of getting information correct in the future before hitting post. I'm usually better about it.

All good. Happens to the best of us

[Barachim]

My immersion is already broken when I see people dressed up as Chocobos, or wear bikinis into battle. Or a combination of both. No crossover event will ever be more immersion breaking than the fashion sense of some people. ='D

[TheMightyMollusk]

One of the first things I saw the first time I logged into the game was a Roe in a chocobo mask and a metallic speedo doing the Manderville on top of a lamppost. Immersion never had a chance.

[MikkoAkure]

I’ve been playing since 1.0 beta, am a super big lore nerd and have both of the books, and think that anyone complaining about aesthetics or crossovers needs to get over themselves.

Besides the fact that they completely changed the aesthetics from 1.0 to ARR, they’ve been doing wonky crossovers from the very beginning and this isn’t new. We had Cocoon machina-behemoths in Lightning’s crossover (long before they reused the models as “Allagan behemoths”), Dragon Quest golems, a giant taru taru, and Yokai Watch. This game is an MMO theme park and it was established back in year 1 of ARR with the Dragon Quest crossover that there will be non-FF crossovers.

We’re only 1 raid into NieR. There’s plenty of time for them to explain what’s going on later. And how are people angry about Noctis’ car or 2B when we also have Titan riding an ATV?

[Alleo]

I’ve been playing since 1.0 beta, am a super big lore nerd and have both of the books, and think that anyone complaining about aesthetics or crossovers needs to get over themselves.

Or people simply have different opinions and dont need to get over themselves for them. I like lore and story of games. And yet I for example always turned a "blind eye" on strange glamour or a one time limited event. For me they have overdone it with the nier raid. Its not just glamour, they are inserting a whole story in the 24 man raid. Its not a small thing, its what we have for a whole expansion..and in this case its not even from the same company and from someone that can be quite "strange" in his decisions, so I wonder how this raid will end and how they will explain it.

I would love if they at least keep their main story and the two raids as unique to FF14 as possible, so that it at least has some own sort of identity. Maybe a few hints and callbacks from other FF games in there but nothing too great. Lets have creativity there and then keep all the crazy stuff for normal events, Hildibrand or things like that.

Heck if its an event I would be fine with a lot of stuff. Give us a pokemon event or a Kingdom Hearts event. But not whole raids of something from a whole other franchise.

Incorrect, they did explain it. While I am with you on it being fan service bosses, Omega traveled across stars and dimensions and has been around for eons to listen to stories of powerful wizards and entities that should've ended the world and their tale's hero. He uses them specifically to gauge how strong the WoL is and how those heroes from those dimensions defeated their "big bad guy". He literally says he collected the information off it all and bases every fight off that information.

Their explanation boils down to: Omega got some stories and fairy tales from different nations and dimension and here they are. There is no information on the bosses themselves..no background on who they are, what stories they have or more. For a game that in one hand has quite a bit of lore, they barely do much with that in raids. Nier at least had one positive part for me and that was the data logs at the end. How cool would it have been to defeat the boss and afterwards get a data log with the story in it? And here they could use some creativity and retell it but with a twist. Or being able to travel through the void arc again and read notes of the people there. (Not in the run itself because you barely have time to read)

Omega is like: I heard it from somewhere but I wont tell you the stories here have boss x from game y which will only be great if you have played the game.

Whats with all these nice get over with comments? This is a thread with the exact topic about breaking immersion. I am not here rioting and wanting SE to change this or I will unsub..I am just telling that I dislike the way they go with these raids the last two expansion. (I love crystal tower and I am a huge fan of the void arc) Its an OPINION, nothing more. You can still like Nier and anything of it quite fine.

[Valic]

]Their explanation boils down to: Omega got some stories and fairy tales from different nations and dimension and here they are. There is no information on the bosses themselves..no background on who they are, what stories they have or more.[/B] For a game that in one hand has quite a bit of lore, they barely do much with that in raids. Nier at least had one positive part for me and that was the data logs at the end. How cool would it have been to defeat the boss and afterwards get a data log with the story in it? And here they could use some creativity and retell it but with a twist. Or being able to travel through the void arc again and read notes of the people there. (Not in the run itself because you barely have time to read)

Omega is like: I heard it from somewhere but I wont tell you the stories here have boss x from game y which will only be great if you have played the game.

What needs to be said about them? They're powerful beings from alternate dimensions that should've triumphed. He says they're mages or what not type of beings and that's that.... You don't need to know, they're simulacrums, you just know you need to defeat them to pass Omega's trials to get to Omega itself. If you wanted lore on the bosses, go play those games, otherwise they're just powerful entities from other dimensions to beat, nothing more? Yes believe it or not, it IS that simple. Personally I would've enjoyed a twist on his retelling and new designs for them all, but otherwise... They're just big bads we kill like any other dungeon, it's in our way, we need to defeat it.

There's no need for a huge, in-depth explanation for each and every aspect of the game's story. The Omega stuff was heavy on the fan service, but it made sense within the context of the game world. The same can be said of the Return to Ivalice stuff.

Final Fantasy games have always had references and throwbacks. They don't need to all be intricately explained. It's just part of the charm. Crossover events are just an extension of that.

This ^

[Lambdafish]

I don't mind the immersion breaking until it enters the MSQ. I had a big issue with Ivalice being mentioned in the MSQ, and being a part of the world, and while the crystal tower has grown on me dramatically in shadowbringers considering it became its own thing very separate from FFIII, the original incarnation where Xande is the allagan emperor who tried to call on cloud of darkness left a bad taste in my mouth.

I hope Nier stays only semi canon and is never mentioned in the MSQ

[TheMightyMollusk]

It's a Fantasy Kitchen Sink setting with loads of Schizo Tech. Just roll with it.

[Theodric]

There's no need for a huge, in-depth explanation for each and every aspect of the game's story. The Omega stuff was heavy on the fan service, but it made sense within the context of the game world. The same can be said of the Return to Ivalice stuff.

Final Fantasy games have always had references and throwbacks. They don't need to all be intricately explained. It's just part of the charm. Crossover events are just an extension of that.