Question about Shelltron/Block

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

If you checked out The Balance Discord some time ago around ShB launch were patch notes specifically stated that blocking and parry has been nerfed, it was worked out that both mitigation were reduced by 5%. While my omega shield allowed me to block 30% of damage, basic maths land me with 25% damage reduction. As for 10% damage reduction, with exception to possibly deep dungeons and maybe eureka, in every day gameplay, I've not seen block below 15% DR.

[ArianeEwah]

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Did trials with PLD yesterday, for lulz and science. Got into Suzaku, and tell you what: I blocked 20% on my O12s shield. That is 20% on high-end lvl 70 gear in lvl 70 duty.

I didn't try lvl 50 or 60 yet, but the result will most likely be the same.

I don't blame any of you, but ppl who spread wrong information (to you and others, unfortunately) should check their facts first. I also reviewed a PLD guide which stated Sheltron as followed: "Block strength scales with shield. Current estimations show blocks reducing damage by 20% at launch to 25% at the end of the expansion."
This is so wrong. The first estimations from my previous post showed that Block is 20% mitigation at max. Then some guy(s) think "uh, parry got 5% weaker, therefore block has be 5% weaker also!!!".

It was the same with WAR (guides) in 4.x, they stated IR was 40% of WAR's total damage output... wrong! Look up ANY parse from SB raids, filter IR buff, do the math, and realize it's closer to 30%.

Spreading misinformation further and further without checking the facts, wouldn't make it the truth, but it does make the mass think it is.

(That's one reason I avoid balance discord.)

PS: Should there be anything or anyone that can actually prove those "new estimations" to be true, I am glad to give in. But right now, everything speaks against these estimations.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

So, I actually took the time to read the post this time and, firstly this was based on the media tour build, anything and everything is disregarded as not everything is the same in the final build.

Secondly, in the post under paladin block there is only mention of a minimum damage reduction of 10% in SB, while in regards maximum, only a 10% drop from the 29% from SB at 19% damage reduction in the media tour build which is expected from scaling a stat. The final thought mention that "the new formula seems to give 10% less mitigation-- at least with gear provided." So it's not gospel and it's a small pool of gear to test with just the media build.

This theory craft was also done before patch notes stated the reduction in parry and blocking which may give rise to some change in the formula. You speak about misinformation yet you state incorrect information regarding blocking from the source you linked.

[ArianeEwah]

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You say that the post is based on media tour, and not the final build. Which is indeed correct.

What you didn't take into account: the result in the final build is THE SAME as in the media tour build. So, those theorycrafter were proved right! They also stated in their post, that the block strength provided from the shield DOES NOT change the mitigation outcome any further if we use the adjusted formula!
"I doubt SE did a major overhaul of the block formula other than removing the +10, but we will see." You left out the last sentence...

Also, have you tested it? Have other people on discord tested it? It's fairly easy to confirm the changes by running synced 50/60/70 content with highest gear possible, and looking at the block values. If these value do not go beyond 20%, then 20% is the maximum mitigation provided in end game gear vs end game content and below!

In SB you could do synced Creator raid duties, and block 30%, the same result as Alphascape with O12s shield.

You speak about misinformation yet you state incorrect information regarding blocking from the source you linked.

Blocking is a scaling mitigation, so minimum is 15% damage reduction at the start of the expansion, as you get better shields it will scale up to a maximum of 25% (formerly 30% but was nerfed along side parry by 5% in ShB). Current i450 King Shield blocks for 20% damage reduction.

If you checked out The Balance Discord some time ago around ShB launch were patch notes specifically stated that blocking and parry has been nerfed, it was worked out that both mitigation were reduced by 5%. While my omega shield allowed me to block 30% of damage, basic maths land me with 25% damage reduction.

Yet, you state it as a fact yourself? What kinda twisted logic are you following? You (and the balance discord, apparently) have no prove that block mitigation goes beyond 20%. Yet, you state from the patch notes "it was worked out that both mitigation were reduced by 5%"?
Where is the prove? I get parry because it is fixed value. But parry is not block! Block is a speciality to PLD and is treated as such.

You can disagree with me, but you can not say that block will get 25% mitigation at the end of expansion as a fact.

(Unless you can show me a picture where you block 21+%, which doesn't exist.)

Also this:
Q: Are you sure shield blocks were nerfed are your not just seeing what happens at the start of every expansion where our block strength pushes us back down to 20% mitigation and it climbs back up each tier to 30%?

A: I'm fairly confident in that finding and added why to the original post. Normally, your block strength is reduced at the start of each expansion because of the LEVEL_DIV. However, I have calculated a valid range for LEVEL_DIV for this expansion already, so I am quite confident it's more than a table value change.