How the invisible timer can REALLY ruin housing

[Gula]

It's pocket change to anyone who puts even a modicum of effort into trying to make gil.

No, there's no modicum here. I can make a ammount if no one undercuts me. Modicum is insinuating minimal effort, 3m as a drop in the bucket is asking for a slightly higher undertaking. Or buying gil and with this person buying multiple accounts, (I've blacklisted their others that they like to strut around) the chances are very high.

[MomomiMomi]

No, there's no modicum here. I can make a ammount if no one undercuts me. Modicum is insinuating minimal effort, 3m as a drop in the bucket is asking for a slightly higher undertaking. Or buying gil and with this person buying multiple accounts, (I've blacklisted their others that they like to strut around) the chances are very high.

A couple of hours of gathering can earn you close to that 3 million gil. Doesn't take a whole lot of effort in the grand scheme of things.

If you prefer, do a few hours of FATEs in the new areas. You'll earn that gil while leveling up your jobs. It doesn't even have to be what you're trying to do, it's just a bonus.

[GU099]

No, there's no modicum here. I can make a ammount if no one undercuts me. Modicum is insinuating minimal effort, 3m as a drop in the bucket is asking for a slightly higher undertaking. Or buying gil and with this person buying multiple accounts, (I've blacklisted their others that they like to strut around) the chances are very high.

The difference is where you set the bar for modicum and where I set it are worlds apart. Therefore our efforts are worlds apart. So the number of houses we own are also worlds apart. You are the one getting undercut because I am the one undercutting you.

It's simple really. But as soon as anyone claims to work harder than you that's where you point your finger and call no-life or cheating. Nobody could possibly work harder than you right?

[Flashgordon1975]

The difference is where you set the bar for modicum and where I set it are worlds apart. Therefore our efforts are worlds apart. So the number of houses we own are also worlds apart. You are the one getting undercut because I am the one undercutting you.

It's simple really. But as soon as anyone claims to work harder than you that's where you point your finger and call no-life or cheating. Nobody could possibly work harder than you right?

Well aren't you just special =)

[Flashgordon1975]

Are you really going to include people who are putting in wasted effort into being counted as putting effort in? People can make bad choices. That doesn't mean it's not easy to make a better choice instead.

As far as I'm concerned, there's a minimal amount of effort required before you can qualify as "trying to make gil." That minimum is doing a tiny amount market research. If you see that you can make 100,000 gil by making 99 of an item, and then immediately go make them, you haven't put in even the bare minimum effort to qualify. You could have instead looked and seen that you can make 20,000 gil by selling a single item that sells by the truckload.

Or you can have the foresight to know that patch 5.05 is coming up, which means prices are about to skyrocket, and tomestomes will possibly be a valuable source of income. Making 3 million gil will be child's play for anyone who actually tries.

Not to someone starting out. It is just mind boggling to me how some veterans on this board forget what type of effort it takes to start from nothing. Then when they defend their positions it is the old tried and true reason of "well I did it so they should too". You also forget that much of making gil in this game revolves not just around market research, but time available to the player. Some players seem to have all day everyday and can move on markets and earn those tomestones. In at least one of these arguments against fixing the housing system and talking about earning gil the player seems to have an over abundance of time. There is nothing wrong with that, but this game makes its money from the casual players that simply do not have the time available. These are the people that SE needs to cater to because that is where their revenue comes from.

[Flashgordon1975]

While I agree that more wards are nice, they've been doing that since the beginning and it hasn't solved the issue. And as long as housing remains dirt cheap, it will likely never solve the issue.

The issue is, yes, availability. But pricing has influenced demand in a very negative manner. That houses are so affordable to everyone and their moogle means that competition for the limited availability of housing is really bad.

I'm not sure if you were here 4 years ago when housing was at its second price point. It was 1: available only to FCs and 2: about 80 million gil for a large house. Availability was not an issue despite there being only 6 wards, and we didn't have Shirogane yet. As a new player at the time, I was easily able to make enough gil to buy 3 larges, all in the same ward. I had no struggles to do this: there was no competition. I bought all three mansions at 40 million gil, their minimum devaluation.

Back then, that was a lot of gil. But I put in the effort and got 3 mansions before entire FCs were able or willing to pool their resources together and buy them.

I have since stopped trying to make gil (since 4 years ago), so I don't have nearly as much gil as you do. However, in the current state of the game, it's an easy to understand fact that it's far easier to make gil than it was back then.

As someone who has made as much gil as you have, I'm sure you have at least a basic understanding of economics. You don't decrease the price of things as inflation occurs, that defies all logic. You especially don't do it to something that has limited supply. Yet this is what the devs have done. What happens to that limited supply when you make it affordable to everyone? It disappears.

As such, I very much challenge the idea that gil is not the argument with the housing system. Yes, that's not what people are complaining about. But it is what they should be complaining about. They just don't realize that the low price point is what's causing their problems.

I agree housing is too cheap. I would like to see them increase the price of plots in conjunction with adding new wards. I would think that at least if the plots were attainable through hard work rather than luck it would fix some of the issues.