GLA/PLD Tanking tips?

[Xoo]

I'm not sure we're talking about the same game either. A paladin can't even come to close to the aoe hate abilities a warrior has. One flare goes off and the paladin is sitting there as a sub-whm curing the blm's.

Sounds like more of a case of a fail BLM and a fail GLA/PLD. As well, Paladin has Cover for these situations. Warrior has nothing outside of Steel Cyclone (2000TP@30sec) versus Gladiator's instant Flash and conditional War Drum, among many other enmity tricks.

Also, find me an EXP party pre-45 that has a Warrior for a tank and I'll show you a dead party.

I think this is much less about Warrior's ability to tank well under certain conditions as it is more about people loving to deal damage and tank at the same time. Gladiator and Paladin are still viable tanks, and you won't convince me otherwise.

[Treach]

you won't convince me otherwise.

So why are you asking people to debate with you? That is like borderline trolling.

[Zahak]

For the Pld lovers who have yet to see it: PLD UPDATE

"To all the players who don the gear of the Gallant or just like to look at those who do, I have good news!

In patch 1.21a we will be making adjustments to paladins, mainly focusing on their actions and we will continue to adjust paladin and other jobs moving forward."

[Xoo]

More to the point, I am still able to do my job as tank while playing Gladiator and Paladin. This misguided Warrior favoritism got showed up at Ifrit a few days ago when one party member tried to laugh me out of the group, saying, "You can't tank on Gladiator lmao! We have 2 WAR's and 3 BLM's! You don't even have Ifrit's Sword! etc." It went down and without a hitch.

You folks keep your "WAR ONLY" mentality, and I'll have versatility in both.

[Chione]

More to the point, I am still able to do my job as tank while playing Gladiator and Paladin. This misguided Warrior favoritism got showed up at Ifrit a few days ago when one party member tried to laugh me out of the group, saying, "You can't tank on Gladiator lmao! We have 2 WAR's and 3 BLM's! You don't even have Ifrit's Sword! etc." It went down and without a hitch.

You folks keep your "WAR ONLY" mentality, and I'll have versatility in both.

Well here it is, today I have had to accept once and for all that Paladin is a total waste of inventory space until they fix it. Moogle Prime sealed it.

Its not that I am just saying this to argue with you. I -want- to tank on PLD, and I have. I've tanked the Princess fight in Cutter's Cry and I've gone farming solo crowds of uglies quite a bit on it. Pre-patch I would only tank Moogle on GLD so that I could have all the moogles on me. This I only seemed capable of doing with AoE Flash and stopping to proc a wardrum now and then. Today, I tanked it on war and I had no issues at all getting all the moogles with just Antagonize, voke, flash and the crazy war combo.

And it might just be me imagining things but I feel somehow a lot less flimsy on WAR than I do when I'm on PLD. Even with the same gear, it feels like I get hit a lot harder on PLD.

And then there's the abilities - All of the WAR abilities are useful to tanking. All of PLD's kinda seem to say that they are but in actuality they hurt the PLD's cause. Divine Veil for instance, gives enmity to the whm that casts cure on you, as it counts as -them- casting that regen effect that it gives, not you. Our "Cure" takes far too long to cast for the benefit it gives and is very likely to get interrupted. I'm sure these are all points that have been brought up in the PLD thread, though and I'm overjoyed that the job is back on the drawing board.

Anyway, I was holding out hope that PLD would still be better than WAR on moogle prime, since its all about keeping more than one mob on you and not the pt - even while being mobile. I'm not saying PLD can't still do that with a lot more effort. WAR just does it better now with half the work. :/

Edit: Sorry for the long post. PLD was quite a disappointment for me.

[Peptaru]

Stuff

For now, until we see what changes are made warrior does take less than pld. It not only has the higher HP pool, but also higher defense. Pld JSE is awful in actual defensive stats save for the 180 def body. Its all aimed at enhancing abilities as opposed to dmg mitigation. I'm eagerly awaiting the revamps.

[Xoo]

Well here it is, today I have had to accept once and for all that Paladin is a total waste of inventory space until they fix it. Moogle Prime sealed it.

Its not that I am just saying this to argue with you. I -want- to tank on PLD, and I have. I've tanked the Princess fight in Cutter's Cry and I've gone farming solo crowds of uglies quite a bit on it. Pre-patch I would only tank Moogle on GLD so that I could have all the moogles on me. This I only seemed capable of doing with AoE Flash and stopping to proc a wardrum now and then. Today, I tanked it on war and I had no issues at all getting all the moogles with just Antagonize, voke, flash and the crazy war combo.

And it might just be me imagining things but I feel somehow a lot less flimsy on WAR than I do when I'm on PLD. Even with the same gear, it feels like I get hit a lot harder on PLD.

And then there's the abilities - All of the WAR abilities are useful to tanking. All of PLD's kinda seem to say that they are but in actuality they hurt the PLD's cause. Divine Veil for instance, gives enmity to the whm that casts cure on you, as it counts as -them- casting that regen effect that it gives, not you. Our "Cure" takes far too long to cast for the benefit it gives and is very likely to get interrupted. I'm sure these are all points that have been brought up in the PLD thread, though and I'm overjoyed that the job is back on the drawing board.

Anyway, I was holding out hope that PLD would still be better than WAR on moogle prime, since its all about keeping more than one mob on you and not the pt - even while being mobile. I'm not saying PLD can't still do that with a lot more effort. WAR just does it better now with half the work. :/

Edit: Sorry for the long post. PLD was quite a disappointment for me.

No worries. I'll still go on tanking with Gladiator even though I have MRD and WAR available. I like playing it, and it works for every scenario that I've used it for.

[Phobos]

Well here it is, today I have had to accept once and for all that Paladin is a total waste of inventory space until they fix it. Moogle Prime sealed it.

Its not that I am just saying this to argue with you. I -want- to tank on PLD, and I have. I've tanked the Princess fight in Cutter's Cry and I've gone farming solo crowds of uglies quite a bit on it. Pre-patch I would only tank Moogle on GLD so that I could have all the moogles on me. This I only seemed capable of doing with AoE Flash and stopping to proc a wardrum now and then. Today, I tanked it on war and I had no issues at all getting all the moogles with just Antagonize, voke, flash and the crazy war combo.

And it might just be me imagining things but I feel somehow a lot less flimsy on WAR than I do when I'm on PLD. Even with the same gear, it feels like I get hit a lot harder on PLD.

And then there's the abilities - All of the WAR abilities are useful to tanking. All of PLD's kinda seem to say that they are but in actuality they hurt the PLD's cause. Divine Veil for instance, gives enmity to the whm that casts cure on you, as it counts as -them- casting that regen effect that it gives, not you. Our "Cure" takes far too long to cast for the benefit it gives and is very likely to get interrupted. I'm sure these are all points that have been brought up in the PLD thread, though and I'm overjoyed that the job is back on the drawing board.

Anyway, I was holding out hope that PLD would still be better than WAR on moogle prime, since its all about keeping more than one mob on you and not the pt - even while being mobile. I'm not saying PLD can't still do that with a lot more effort. WAR just does it better now with half the work. :/

Edit: Sorry for the long post. PLD was quite a disappointment for me.

This is a major source of the problem. To properly tank on GLA/PLD you have to spam abilities and cure yourself. Now that you can't move while casting, coupled with the DD's getting better so more chances to lose hate you're running around constantly doing things. I've noticed from time to time I'm sitting at 3000 TP because I had to do so many other things before I could WS.

WAR though, it seems you mostly just have to play as a DD and as a side-effect you tank well.

[Madruk]

Just keep playing paladin, you clearly enjoy it so who am I to say otherwise.

Ps: I leveled 4 jobs without a tank 1-50 just aoeing shit down. Our thm's usually just took the hits. But that's a whole other issue.

[Xoo]

Just keep playing paladin, you clearly enjoy it so who am I to say otherwise.

Ps: I leveled 4 jobs without a tank 1-50 just aoeing shit down. Our thm's usually just took the hits. But that's a whole other issue.

Fair enough.

PS: If I read correctly, (http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...d=1332301&p=15), you completed your last DoW/DoM on 06/23/2011 - which was before 1.20 and the removal of incessant AoE melee spam. Which does explain a few things.