10k MP cap..I hate it!!

[JWag12787]

Weren't abilities always % of MP? So by setting the MP to the same level, the abilities all cost the same MP? I'm not sure I get the difference except a control in numbers.


Though I definitely kept forgetting about Lucid Dream for a while, and that was painful XD

[HumanNinjaToo]

Only in the party list as a style choice. The actual amount of mana we have now is 10,000.

I think they may have meant that even though the larger MP bar shows 10000, it actually represents 100.00; however, I don't really see the point when they could just as easily say that a spell costs 150 MP as opposed to 1500 MP. Granted, I have not played nearly all the classes, so I don't know if some spells MP cost does actually delve into the 10th and 100th places of 100%.

You use Manafont to add another Fire IV and Despair (single-target Flare at level 74) into your AF phase. On lower levels it still has use to add a couple Fire IVs into your rotation, or another Flare if AoE.

That makes sense. Sadly, I have not yet unlocked F4...

[Mhaeric]

I think they may have meant that even though the larger MP bar shows 10000, it actually represents 100.00

Max MP is always going to be 100%, so whatever number they have on any MP bar will represent 100%. The actual mana is still 10,000 since spell/ability costs are in the 300-1000 MP range and clearly takes this much mana out from the 10k total. It's a style choice to show 10000 in the party list, presumably because the numbers are smaller there and it's easier to read and they chose 10,000 MP for the very reason that when they do this it neatly lines up with the percent scale.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I used to use Lucid Dreaming on or near CD to drop threat. Now I use it on or near CD to refresh mana. It's not really any difference, aside from having to chain raise. And if you need to raise that much, your party was probably gonna wipe anyway.

[Rongway]

It’s effectively the same, spells were always just a percentage of your max MP. Like say I’m a Paladin, I can still get those 5 Holy Spirits.

It's not the same. RDM spell costs are 20% higher than they were pre-ShB.

Spell         SB cost    SB cost%    ShB cost    ShB cost%    Change
Jolt              360      2.500%         300       3.000%      +20%
Verstone          360      2.500%         300       3.000%      +20%
Verfire           360      2.500%         300       3.000%      +20%
Veraero           480      3.333%         400       4.000%      +20%
Verthunder        480      3.333%         400       4.000%      +20%
Verholy           600      4.167%         500       5.000%      +20%
Verflare          600      4.167%         500       5.000%      +20%
Scorch           ----      -----          500       5.000%      ----
Vercure           600      4.167%         500       5.000%      +20%
Scatter           480      3.333%         400       4.000%      +20%
Verraise         3600     25.000%        2400      24.000%       -4%

Giving everyone a 10k max MP across the board is absolutely not a problem. It makes things much easier to calculate and is more representative of spell costs since the old spell costs were always a percentage of MP anyway. However, RDM definitely spends more MP% per cast than they did before.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's not the same. RDM spell costs are 20% higher than they were pre-ShB.


Giving everyone a 10k max MP across the board is absolutely not a problem. It makes things much easier to calculate and is more representative of spell costs since the old spell costs were always a percentage of MP anyway. However, RDM definitely spends more MP% per cast than they did before.

They probably went up because the cost of verraise went down quite a bit.

[Insertcoins]

RDM is a bit of a MP hog now but it’s totally manageable by using lucid. I don’t get the gripe here. It’s one button.

IF the other thread where some guy was crying about one button on gun breaker calling that one key bloat is any clue we're getting ALOT of lazy players.

[Zfz]

Comparing absolute values is pointless because it's all about the percentages.

While it is true that at level 80 the RDM burns through MP very quickly, we have absolutely no problem doing content. In prolonged fights we have to use Lucid on cool-down, which shouldn't be a problem for anybody. I'm yet to find myself out of mana or even low mana at any of the level 80 content as long as the party isn't a mess.

At most I've raised probably 5-6 times in Titania EX during one practice try and found myself OOM for a couple of seconds idle. But what do you expect? When things go south they go south, RDM mana going down with it. The previous situation where we could just throw out raises everywhere and never had to worry about our mana was overpowered anyways. And we also don't have the burden of Manashift. (Don't get me wrong, I loved being able to transfer mana to the healers. I'm just saying that our mana won't be used for that now.)

I would prefer if the RDM mana consumption is toned down a notch or two, but as it stands I don't have any problems that demand immediate attention. Obviously I won't know about Savage, as we all have to wait and see about that.

[Katie_Kitty]

It's annoying having to use lucid dreaming so much, and I don't see why it has to be this way considering our personal DPS still lags behind everyone but ninja and dancer, but it's also not the end of the world. With that said, I really don't see the point in making it like this. We aren't exactly powerhouses so it's not like they needed to do it for balance.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's annoying having to use lucid dreaming so much, and I don't see why it has to be this way considering our personal DPS still lags behind everyone but ninja and dancer, but it's also not the end of the world. With that said, I really don't see the point in making it like this. We aren't exactly powerhouses so it's not like they needed to do it for balance.

Its simple. Verraise.